Comment by leakycap

3 days ago

When I saw this news, my first thought was that she lasted about 1 year and 11 months longer than I expected after the first few weeks.

I know Twitter had many terrible aspects, but I do miss the world voice old Twitter provided for quotes that could be engaged with in an "everyone is here" kind of feeling that doesn't exist on any other platforms right now.

Can you drill into "everyone is here"? Prior to twitterfiles, Twitter felt overly corporate .

I agree it's pivoted into another community. A lot of the mainstream and left leaning contributors have been downranked or moved to other platforms.

But Twitter hasn't felt like raw, egalitarian conversation since 2009

  • I think the “everyone is here” feeling is because the media outlets use it quite a bit. So even though mostly everyone is not on Twitter it felt like anyone who is anyone was on Twitter. I don’t really miss the FOMO that was intended to produce but I imagine if you played along it validated the FOMO some how.

    • i see your perspective. Until Musk , it included the scope of publishers that were 1-3 degrees removed from mainstream media and Hollywood.

      Post-musk it’s been rebooted into engagement farms and quasi-right-wing influencers.

      For the first few months it felt refreshing because all of the once censored (or downranked) spicy content now received visibility.

      Now it’s pretty repetitive and lame in its own way.

      Every time I open my mute list I resent using the app.

    • To be honest though it is still by far the best place to get "news" about (very recent) current affairs. Obviously there is an incredible amount of disinformation on it, but if you can filter that out mentally (though I don't know how possible that is), you tend to get a far more 'real time' take on things.

      Me and a friend were talking about this before - for big news stories I/we would instinctively put rolling news on. Now it's usually Twitter I check.

      This is compounded by the fact that so many political events 'happen' on Twitter/X (and for Trump, Truth Social then screenshotted onto Twitter). Even without Trump I would say the majority of UK political 'intrigue' is done directly on twitter.

      So I think it's actually the other way round; media outlets use it quite a bit because instead of press conferences and what not a lot of news comes straight onto it.

      Btw, this isn't too say traditional journalism doesn't have a place - it absolutely does and most of the current affairs content I read is on that. But for 'fast moving' events Twitter has managed to keep its place in my eyes, which I'm surprised about to be honest. Bluesky does not have anywhere near the same momentum which really shows you how important network effects are.

      5 replies →

  • > Prior to twitterfiles, Twitter felt overly corporate

    Your take on a highly selective propagandized "expose" done internally by a corporation raider who just raided the corp that he is exposing, is to say that before oligarch took over things felt a little "corporate" ?

    • Social media is obviously censored and editorialized. Twitter files was just a turning point – I’m not saying it was a liberation.

      Yes it’s been corporate for a long time. Now it has a different sort of editorialization – hard to describe it. Yeah maybe influenced by a cabal of techno-libertarian VCs like Musk & Theil – hopefully that will be better revealed in a follow up expose

      It was certainly corporate beforehand, though. Maybe you preferred that version if it– that’s fine. (Edit: grammar)

Of course I hate what Elon has done to Twitter but you're feeling previously that everyone was there was an illusion brought on by massive propaganda and manipulation of the conversation. The same thing has happened to Reddit now, well it feels more inclusive and open it's actually an incredibly controlled enclosed system that only allows one specific viewpoint. Now of course to the people inside that bubble it feels like freedom but to everyone else it looks like a liberal echo chamber.

For example, when the actual owner of the at Bitcoin handle wasn't pushing the narrative that Jack Dorsey wanted they hijacked the moniker and gave it to a pro b Blockstream (THE COMPANY THAT CONTROLS THE BITCOIN CODE BASE) individual. For most people that support Bitcoin and blockstream it looks like a victory of free speech but in reality they're just controlling more and more of the speech and kicking out anyone from the conversation who disagrees.

  • > liberal echo chamber

    It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers.

    • Reddit really doesn't.

      I commented on a particular sub (in opposition to what i think the core hivemind is there) and was immediately banned from about 30 others.

      Reddit is the most insular, single minded set of communities I've seen on social media. I dont think you can claim diversity if the userbase all wall themselves off from each other with bots.

      15 replies →

    • "a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find."

      I think you forgot the /s. Plus reddit is mostly bots now driving engagement, with AI slop splattered everywhere. It went from bad to worse in just a few years. I scan the homepage without an account every now and then and it's awful.

    • > It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers.

      This happened on Quora until almost all western users left. Initially it was nice to have diversity of users and opinions, but then people started using Indian parlance that only other Indian users could understand (started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors, etc.)

      3 replies →

  • Possibly leakycap is thinking about 02012 and you're thinking about 02018. In that case you'd both be right about Twitter.

    • OT but why isn't longnow format LSB(LS Digit) first? 8102, 2102, etc. The problem is that years as variables are often processed as left aligned fixed length MSB first, so it's hard to make year processing code robust over wide ranges of time. If it had been LSB/LSD first, overflow checks can be just a truncation.

      8102 and 2102 clearly belong to same age, 5491 and 8391 are more far apart but it's visually apparent that they share two LSDs, and a C program that displays rate of return of a 01-year bond will only have to care at most "654" part of year 654321 entered by user.

      "02012" is more perplexing and it can be longer by whole 16 bits[than regular notation] or so[on some systems].

      edit: edited for basic clarity

      1 reply →

    • this was my take as well. twitter nostalgia not reality. I put the egalitarian age at around 2009 but you're right Kony-2012 was a huge pivot for social media

      6 replies →

  • It's literally impossible to post anything on any interesting subreddit right now, your post will just repeatedly get deleted.