Comment by bsder
4 days ago
> Ignoring the strawman at the end
Oh, no. You don't get to ignore my actual experience with people and Covid vaccines. I watched 3 different anti-vaxxers in my family die begging for a vaccine while doctors struggled to save their dumb asses (yeah, mass spreading event).
> it can never be proven that vaccines don't harm us.
That's your job to prove, Mr. Skeptical. Not mine.
I very much can prove that not getting a vaccine does harm you. I've got a handful of measles deaths to point to right now. We've got step function decreases in reproductive cancers due to HPV vaccination. We've got shingles vaccines showing decreases in dementia and Alzheimers. I can go on and on.
It's up to YOU to show the contrary that the harm a vaccine does outweighs it's benefits.
People don't seem to get that "being skeptical" is simply the first step. After that, you are required to begin the hard work of massing factual evidence as well as cause/effect relationships for your argument.
Otherwise you are simply "obviously irrational and can't be reasoned with".
> I say this as a fully vaccinated (including COVID) vaccine enjoyer.
"I'm not racist, but ..."
Sorry. Statement gives you no credibility or authority.
It’s impossible to argue with the biased framing you’ve setup: any single good outcome due to vaccines is sufficient to declare victory for your argument while opponents face defeat unless they show that all harms outweigh all benefits based on your evaluation methodology.
Anyway, for everyone else, the J&J COVID vaccine is known to cause heart problems in certain men and boys. Here’s an article about the issue from the pre-RFK HHS era:
https://health.mountsinai.org/blog/wynk-heart-inflammation-m...
>J&J COVID vaccine is known to cause heart problems in certain men and boys
And what is the risk if you get COVID and are unvaccinated? I can't say there is no risk to drinking water, but I can say that there is a huge risk of dying of dehydration from not drinking water.
How is your framing any better? Who claimed vaccines are 100% harmless and have zero chance of injury? The claim was that the chances are vanishingly small.