Comment by danielscrubs

6 days ago

”While in Norway, OpenAI will also engage with government officials to explore opportunities for collaboration, including boosting AI adoption and helping to deliver on Norway’s sovereign AI goals for the benefit of its people.”

Aka, Snowden thought us nothing.

Norwegians beware of ChatGPT used as a weapon to move oil money from the people to the ”future of business ”.

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mrjay42  6 days ago

Worked in Norway for six years in a research lab (50% private | 50% public).

First thing I noticed when I arrived: they are using Google for emails, sharing documents, drives, meetings, research projects, etc. The loss of sovereignty that this represents AND the major risk for leaks/theft is MAD.

It was a research lab entirely focused on tech/CS/computational science So it's not like they don't know stuff about technology.

Years prior to this, I'm in Finland in a tiny lab in Turku/Åbo (the city has two names, one in Finnish the other in Swedish.

I remember there was a dude doing his master's trying to integrate a bunch of devices (phone, desktop, laptop, cloud, etc.) so that basically your AI assistant can automatically handle stuff. This implied A LOT of constant (or almost constant) data collection.

During one of the meeting, I think I'm the one who asked: "But wait, isn't this a massive issue in terms of privacy?" The big boss of the lab, replied: "Oh I know you're from France, and you guyz care a lot about this. But here we simply do not"

Conclusion:

I haven't looked at sociological studies trying to build an historical overview of the Nordic people and their relation to electronic privacy. But my experience goes so much against the idea I had about Nordic "culture" (this word means nothing here: Finnish and Norwegian are VERY different societies, but bear with me).

I really believed that in those countries I'd find some high priority, super secured, home made, safe solutions for handling messaging, data, research -> it is REALLY NOT THE CASE, I haven't seen ANY OF THAT; they're all using USA made cloud-(AI)-tech.

  • dumbledoren  5 days ago

    The Nordic countries act as if they were an extension of the Angloamerican culture for some reason. They sure would object to their data being used by China or Russia for example, but American companies doing it doesnt pose a problem. But France has its own national identity, and it does not see itself as the extension of Angloamerica. So its natural that Angloamerican corporations having unfettered access to its data would be a no no.

    • amadeuspagel  4 days ago

      Maybe the nordic countries just have very similar value to the anglosphere and therefore they trust each other? That doesn't mean one is an extension of the other.

  • benhurmarcel  5 days ago

    It’s not specific to those countries. In France for example, major companies store their data (including research) on Microsoft or Google servers.

    For modern collaboration tools you don’t have that many options.

veunes  6 days ago

Yep, AI sovereignty shouldn't mean handing over control to foreign entities with better PR teams