Comment by dang
6 months ago
Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN. It leads to nationalistic flamewars, which we definitely don't need here.
6 months ago
Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN. It leads to nationalistic flamewars, which we definitely don't need here.
@dang: I don't see any nationalistic flamebait here. Just somewhat argumentative speak.
Maybe it'll help to break that one down:
> An American problem created in the US
Comment already starts off pointing flameward, but ok, it could go either way.
> In almost any other country,
A grand and shallow generalization, consistent with flamebait, but ok, still not dispositive.
> The incessant fads and hysteria
This swerve into pejorative language, given the frame already set, is definitely starting to look like nationalistic flamebait.
> a society that is totally dysfunctional
Ok, now there's no question about it.
Comments like this, which combine denunciatory rhetoric with a very low information/indignation ratio, are not what Hacker News is for. This was not a borderline call!
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Ok, I think you are right.
> A grand and shallow generalization
In every single developed country leaving a child like that would cause everyone there to be prosecuted by law. I didnt hear any other country where trying to help a kid to find his mother by asking around people in a park could be considered child molestation and force someone who is helping to leave the child just like that. Feel free to provide a counter argument.
> This swerve into pejorative language
Are you contesting that there are incessant fads and hysteria in the US? We are living in a time when US is waging two wars on two different fronts and creating propaganda hysteria for the third war. American payment processors are being pressured to cut service to those who certain American groups dont see compliant with their views. The list of fads and hysterias are so long that it requires an entire topic to list.
> a society that is totally dysfunctional > Ok, now there's no question about it.
A society where people work two jobs and yet live in their car where 99% of people will will never buy a house....
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi...
...where people die if they cant pay the hospital, and cant feed their children even while working two jobs...
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret...
...to the extent that the solution they find is escaping from the country...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-dream-leave-most-us-...
...and you are saying that is not a dysfunctional society and pointing out all of these are 'nationalistic'.
> Comments like this, which combine denunciatory rhetoric with a very low information/indignation ratio, are not what Hacker News is for
Tech and tech economy are not exempt from a social collapse. You could make an argument that the collapse has not reached a point at which we should talk about it in every thread, maybe. But you were the one challenged the 'dysfunctional' argument. Delirious hysteria like the one the initial commenter posted is a good sign of collapsing societies. The US is one.
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Culture differences are not nationalistic flamebait.
That is correct, of course, but "incessant fads and hysteria" and "a society that is totally dysfunctional" are hardly curious expositions of cultural difference.
Sharp-and-shallow putdowns of other countries are nationalistic flamebait. If it doesn't seem that way to you, it might help to imagine the same thing being said about a country (or some other group) that you feel strongly about.
There is nothing nationalistic about it. I have lived in multiple countries, and in no country have I ever ! heard ! about a phenomenon like this one. In every country I lived, leaving that child alone like that would cause you to get legally prosecuted, regardless of who said what - and that prosecution would include that woman who made those threatening remarks. We are reading stories of people who even refrain from patting a child's head because it could be seen as some kind of molestation.
This is one of the hysterias and fads that visibly come out of the US frequently as the US public opinion and even the political landscape change.
yea, only wishing death on Russians is allowed around here. hey maybe we can all use this forum to organize and launch cyber attacks on them too. fn loser
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