Comment by beagle3

Lisp done idiomatically is terse, incredibly so. It's been a while since I've worked in Lisp, but I never used a class, nor did anyone I worked with.

I purposely type everything when coding[0], which makes me painfully aware of all the verbosity and boilerplate. I last wrote Java about 12 years ago (first wrote Java 25 years ago), and it was among the worst at every point in time; I have very little desire to see what it evolved into, but if you can link to a terse, modern Java codebase I will take a look.

chaining a-la Ruby does not make code terse; good selection of primitives, and good idioms do. APL family including J & K are at the extreme, and nothing else comes remotely close.

[0] need to get on the AI assistant bandwagon .. haven't yet