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Comment by mrtksn

20 hours ago

Or have actual public places? The Cafe's are there to serve coffee, it's just courtesy as business model to let you hang around in the premises and when the business model starts to fail in some way they adjust it.

After university, the most I miss is the actual places that are mine to use and are made for hanging around or working and not necessarily consuming anything.

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onlyrealcuzzo  20 hours ago

> After university, the most I miss is the actual places that are mine to use and are made for hanging around or working and not necessarily consuming anything.

You just pre-paid for the consumption in your tuition fees.

  • pvtmert  12 hours ago

    outside of USA, i do not think that's true,

    given the OP nickname is mrtksn, I presume he is a Turkish person. There are many public (ie. govt. funded) universities in Turkey. Except various touristic places in Istanbul, it would also be possible to "hangout" for an hour in many of smaller cities. Obviously this is degrading as the cities are getting more crowded. Although, most shopping malls having food-court with a "public" area. (ie. An area that belongs to none of the food places, but the shopping mall itself) You could just coast there from 10am in the morning until 10pm in the evening, with free-wifi and no drinks.

    Similarly, in Europe, some coffee shops kind of span to the street benches or the window-side seating. For the window-side (outside), you may not be able to sit there for an hour or so, but definitely coastable about 30 minutes. (ie waiting for someone). Meanwhile, public areas are always free-for-all, if the WIFI works, then for sure you can coast all day...

cmavvv  20 hours ago

> The Cafe's are there to serve coffee, it's just courtesy as business model to let you hang around

Traditionally it's the other way around, the drink is a by-product of a public house where people can gather. Could you imagine a bar where people are just supposed to drink and leave?

  • mrtksn  20 hours ago

    How does this work? Were these public houses literally owned by the public and someone noticed that they may sell something there? AFAIK it's more like people opening their premises to outsiders to hang around and sell them stuff.

    • rrrrrrrrrrrryan  16 hours ago

      Yes - to enter most houses you needed to be a member of the club, or know the owner, have an invitation, etc.

      Some houses were open to the public ("public houses," "pubs") where anyone could walk in and grab a drink and a bite, and usually even a bed for the night.

  • sandworm101  19 hours ago

    > can you imagine a bar where people are just supposed to drink and leave?

    That is what a "bar" was invented to do. In the old public house, patrons would remain seated and the alcohol was brought to them. A heavy drinker would drink until they couldnt walk, but would still occupy a chair. Then the "bar" was invented. Patrons now come to the alcohol and will generally depart before becoming legless. A single bartender can now dish out far more alcohol per hour than any table server. That didnt exist as a concept until a couple hundred years ago.

    Proper sushi "bars" follow the same pattern. You eat solo, often with curtains between individual patrons. You eat fast. Then you leave. You dont hang around for a chat.