Comment by wtallis
2 days ago
Yes, a used laptop would be an upgrade from server hardware of that vintage, in performance and probably in reliability. If they're really using hardware that old, that is itself a big red flag that F-Droid's infrastructure is fragile and unmaintained.
(A server that old might not have any SSDs, which would be insane for a software build server unless it was doing everything in RAM.)
How is it that if hardware is old, that means it's unmaintained, or that if it's old, it can't have SSDs? Neither of those things are typically inferred from age.
I still maintain old servers, and even my Amiga server has an SSD.
If they're running hardware that old, and it's causing them software compatibility problems, then we can infer that their infrastructure is unmaintained, because the cost of moving to newer hardware is so low that the cost of newer hardware could not plausibly be the reason they haven't moved to new hardware. There's dirt cheap used server hardware that would be substantially faster, cheaper to operate, and not have software compatibility issues like this. Money can't be preventing them from using newer hardware.
We don't know for sure the servers don't have SSDs, but we do know that back in the days of server hardware that didn't support SSE4.1, SSDs had not yet displaced hard drives for mainstream storage, so it's likely that servers that old didn't originally ship with SSDs. It's not impossible to retrofit such a server with SSDs, but doing that without upgrading to a more recent platform would be a weird choice.
A server at that age is also going to be harder to repair when something dies, and it's due for something to die. If they lose a PSU it might be cheaper to replace the whole system with something a bit less old. Other components they'd have to rely on replacing with something used, from a different manufacturer than the original, or use a newer generation component and hope it's backwards compatible. Hence why I said using hardware that old would imply their infrastructure is fragile.
But all of this is still just speculation because nobody involved with F-Droid has actually explained what specific hardware they're using, or why. So I'm still not convinced that the possibility of a misconfigured hypervisor has been ruled out.
> If they're running hardware that old [...] then we can infer that their infrastructure is unmaintained
You lost me there. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
People have reasons for running the hardware they run. Do you know their reasons? If you do, please share. If not, there's no connection whatsoever between old hardware and unmaintained infrastructure.
Is my AlphaServer DS25 unmaintained? It's very old server hardware.
Is my 1981 Chevette unmantained? It's REALLY old. Can you infer that the fact that I have a car from 1981 means it's unmaintained? I'd say that reasonable people can infer that it's definitely maintained, since it would most likely not still be running if it weren't.
> It's not impossible to retrofit such a server with SSDs, but doing that without upgrading to a more recent platform would be a weird choice.
I don't know where you learned about servers, but no, it's not a weird choice to use newer storage in older servers. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Maybe you've worked somewhere that bought Dell servers with storage and trashed the servers when storage needing upgrading, but that's definitely not normal.
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There are some more possible virtues except of performance and probably-reliability.
I have computers from the early 2000s that now have SSDs in them. You can get cheap adapters to use SATA and CompactFlash storage on old machines.