Comment by foobarbecue

9 hours ago

The point I'm making is that translating from english to python does not involve logical reasoning or any form of problem solving. You essentially replace english phrases with their python equivalents; it's a fuzzy version of looking things up in a dictionary.

It can translate, but it cannot reason or calculate. The python can calculate.

I've seen countless examples where it does do a lot of logical reasoning from a very high-level requirement. I only gave that example because that is the more common form of programming logic required, but there is a huge range of logical and coding tasks it handles seamlessly. It figures out the problem, the high-level approach, the appropriate algorithms, any intermediate book-keeping data structures required, any edge cases, what functions and classes from the contextual code matters, and how it should integrate with the rest of the codebase.

Here is one recent exchange (some proprietary details redacted) with Claude Sonnet 3.7 via the Cody VSCode Extension (RIP):

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Me: At this point, "segments" represents a list of bounding boxes that can overlap. Write a function to coalesce only those boxes that are substantially (i.e. within some tolerance) horizontally aligned along one or both edges or their centers, either: 1) overlapping completely or partially; or 2) very closely spaced like the words of a sentence should be (you can assume the threshold for spacing could be a reasonable fraction of the height of the box).

Claude: I'll create a function to coalesce horizontally aligned boxes based on your requirements. This function will identify boxes that are either overlapping or closely spaced and horizontally aligned (by top edge, bottom edge, or vertical center).

```javascript function coalesceHorizontallyAlignedSegments(segments, options = {}) { // Default options const { verticalAlignmentTolerance = 0.1, // 10% tolerance for vertical alignment horizontalSpacingThreshold = 0.5, // Max horizontal spacing as a fraction of box height overlapThreshold = 0.2 // Minimum overlap required (20% of the smaller box) } = options;

  if (!segments || segments.length <= 1) {
    return segments;
  }

  // Sort segments by x position (left to right)
  const sortedSegments = [...segments].sort((a, b) => a.x - b.x);

  // Track which segments have been merged
  const merged = new Array(sortedSegments.length).fill(false);
  const mergedSegments = [];

  for (let i = 0; i < sortedSegments.length; i++) {
    // Skip if this segment has already been merged
    if (merged[i]) continue;

    const currentSegment = sortedSegments[i];
    let mergedSegment = { ...currentSegment };
    merged[i] = true;

    // Check for potential merges with subsequent segments
    let didMerge = true;

    while (didMerge) {
      didMerge = false;

      for (let j = 0; j < sortedSegments.length; j++) {
        if (merged[j]) continue;

        const nextSegment = sortedSegments[j];

        // Check if horizontally aligned (top, bottom, or center)
        const topAligned = Math.abs(mergedSegment.y - nextSegment.y) <=
                           verticalAlignmentTolerance * Math.min(mergedSegment.height, nextSegment.height);

        const bottomAligned = Math.abs((mergedSegment.y + mergedSegment.height) -
                              (nextSegment.y + nextSegment.height)) <=
                              verticalAlignmentTolerance * Math.min(mergedSegment.height, nextSegment.height);

        const centerAligned = Math.abs((mergedSegment.y + mergedSegment.height/2) -
                              (nextSegment.y + nextSegment.height/2)) <=
                              verticalAlignmentTolerance * Math.min(mergedSegment.height, nextSegment.height);

        const isVerticallyAligned = topAligned || bottomAligned || centerAligned;

        if (!isVerticallyAligned) continue;

        // Check for overlap or close spacing
        const mergedRight = mergedSegment.x + mergedSegment.width;
        const nextLeft = nextSegment.x;

        // Calculate horizontal spacing
        const horizontalSpacing = nextLeft - mergedRight;
        const maxAllowedSpacing = horizontalSpacingThreshold * Math.min(mergedSegment.height, nextSegment.height);

        // Check for overlap
        const isOverlapping = mergedRight >= nextLeft;

        // Calculate overlap percentage if overlapping
        let hasSignificantOverlap = false;
        if (isOverlapping) {
          const overlapWidth = Math.min(mergedRight, nextSegment.x + nextSegment.width) -
                              Math.max(mergedSegment.x, nextSegment.x);
          const smallerWidth = Math.min(mergedSegment.width, nextSegment.width);
          hasSignificantOverlap = overlapWidth / smallerWidth >= overlapThreshold;
        }

        // Merge if overlapping significantly or closely spaced
        if (hasSignificantOverlap || (horizontalSpacing >= 0 && horizontalSpacing <= maxAllowedSpacing)) {
          // Create a new bounding box that encompasses both segments
          const newX = Math.min(mergedSegment.x, nextSegment.x);
          const newY = Math.min(mergedSegment.y, nextSegment.y);
          const newRight = Math.max(mergedSegment.x + mergedSegment.width,
                                   nextSegment.x + nextSegment.width);
          const newBottom = Math.max(mergedSegment.y + mergedSegment.height,
                                    nextSegment.y + nextSegment.height);

          mergedSegment = {
            x: newX,
            y: newY,
            width: newRight - newX,
            height: newBottom - newY,
            // Preserve the virtual path from the leftmost segment
            imagePath: mergedSegment.x <= nextSegment.x ? mergedSegment.imagePath : nextSegment.imagePath
          };

          merged[j] = true;
          didMerge = true;
          break;
        }
      }
    }

    // Add the topLeft and bottomRight properties for consistency
    mergedSegment.topLeft = { x: mergedSegment.x, y: mergedSegment.y };
    mergedSegment.bottomRight = {
      x: mergedSegment.x + mergedSegment.width,
      y: mergedSegment.y + mergedSegment.height
    };

    mergedSegments.push(mergedSegment);
  }

  return mergedSegments;

} ```

This function works as follows:

1. It sorts segments from left to right to process them in reading order 2. For each segment, it looks for potential merges with other segments based on: - Vertical alignment (top edges, bottom edges, or centers within tolerance) - Either significant overlap (controlled by overlapThreshold) or - Close horizontal spacing (controlled by horizontalSpacingThreshold as a fraction of box height) 3. When segments are merged, it creates a new bounding box that encompasses both 4. It continues merging until no more merges are possible

You can integrate this function into your segmentation pipeline by adding it after the segment extraction:

```javascript function segmentImage(ctx, imageData, options = {}) { // ... existing code ...

  const segments = boundingRects.map(toSegment);

  // Coalesce horizontally aligned segments
  const coalescedSegments = coalesceHorizontallyAlignedSegments(segments, options.coalesceOptions);

  return { segments: coalescedSegments, contourTrees };

} ```

Me: Do not write any code yet, but would it help if the segments were first grouped into approximate "rows" and then coalesced, rather than simply sorted by the x-coordinate?

Claude: Yes, grouping segments into approximate "rows" before coalescing would be significantly more effective than simply sorting by x-coordinate. Here's why:

1. *Better handling of multi-column layouts*: When a page has multiple columns of text or elements, sorting purely by x-coordinate would attempt to merge segments across different columns if they happen to be horizontally aligned.

2. *Respecting natural reading flow*: Text typically flows in rows, and grouping by rows first would respect this natural organization of content.

3. *More accurate merging decisions*: By first establishing which segments belong to the same "row" or line of content, we can make more informed decisions about which segments should be considered for merging.

4. *Handling of varying vertical positions*: Text lines on a webpage aren't always perfectly aligned. Pre-grouping into rows would allow us to handle slight variations in vertical positioning within what should be considered the same line.

5. *Efficiency*: By limiting the coalescing operations to segments within the same row, we reduce the number of comparisons needed.

The approach would work like this: 1. Group segments into rows based on vertical overlap or proximity 2. Within each row, sort segments by x-coordinate 3. Apply the coalescing logic only to segments within the same row

This approach would better preserve the semantic structure of the content while still merging segments that represent parts of the same logical unit (like words in a sentence).

Looking at the codebase, this approach would align well with how visual content is typically structured and would produce more meaningful segment groupings for downstream processing.

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And then it proceeded to update the code as discussed. Sure this is not a very novel problem and it required a bit of back and forth, but look at the ratio of prompt to code. This exchange took a couple of minutes; I'd estimate it would have taken me an hour to get that code down with all edge cases handled. Look at the exposition, the quality of code, the choice to use optional parameters for tolerances, and edge-case handling.

It's very, very hard for me to not see this as reasoning. I mean, how is this not mind-blowing?