Comment by sugarpimpdorsey
3 months ago
> Representatives from Chrome/Blink, Safari/Webkit, and Firefox/Gecko are all supportive of removing XSLT
Did anybody bother checking with Microsoft? XML/XSLT is very enterprisey and this will likely break a lot of intranet (or $$$ commercial) applications.
Secondly, why is Firefox/Gecko given full weight for their vote when their marketshare is dwindling into irrelevancy? It's the equivalent of the crazy cat hoarder who wormed her way onto the HOA board speaking for everyone else. No.
There are countries like Germany where Firefox still has around 10% market share [0], or closer to 20% on the desktop, only second behind Chrome [1]. Not exactly irrelevant.
[0] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/germany
[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/germ...
It has long seemed like Firefox is likely doing Google's bidding? That could be a reason why they're given a full vote?
/abject-speculation
> Did anybody bother checking with Microsoft?
> Secondly, why is Firefox/Gecko given full weight for their vote when their marketshare is dwindling into irrelevancy?
The juxtaposition of these two statements is very funny.
Firefox actually develops a browser, Microsoft doesn't. That's why Firefox gets a say and Microsoft doesn't. Microsoft jumped off the browser game years ago.
No, changing the search engine from Google to Bing in chromium doesn't count.
Ultimately, Microsoft isn't implementing jack shit around XSLT because they aren't implementing ANY web standards.
You make it sound like those two thoughts are incompatible in juxtaposition, but they are in fact perfectly consistent, even if you were correct that Microsoft isn't building anything, as the premise is that users matter more than elbow grease. The reason why you'd want to ask Microsoft is the same reason why you might not bother consulting Firefox: because Microsoft has actual users they represent, and Firefox does not.
Right, sure, but this is a matter of implementation and maintenance burden.
Obviously the people doing nothing aren't a reliable source. They probably want the browser to cook your food and walk your dog, too.
That's why we ask the people actually writing the code that is being used.
This is not true. Microsoft is participating in standards and implementing them in Blink.
I didn't know Microsoft contributed to chromium, although that makes some sense.
But my thoughts remain. Chromium IS NOT Microsofts browser.
Chromiums opinion might matter, which might include contributers from the open source community, which might then include some Microsoft engineers.
But Microsoft, as a whole, does not develop a browser so they don't have a seat. The seats are Firefox, Safari, and Chromium/Chrome/Blink.
"Secondly, why is Firefox/Gecko given full weight for their vote when their marketshare is dwindling into irrelevancy?"
There was not really a vote in the first place and FF is still dependant on google. Otherwise FF (users) represants a vocal and somewhat influental minority, capable of creating shitstorms, if the pain level is high enough.
Personally, I always thought XSLT is somewhat weird, so I never used it. Good choice in hindsight.
Maybe because Edge is just a wrapper around Blink?
So Microsoft cucked by Google and Mozilla being a puppet regime of Google at this point.
Seems like a rigged game to me.
Yes it's a wrapper but Microsoft represents a completely different market with individual needs/wants.
If it wasn't for Apple (who doesn't care about enterprise) butting in, the browser consortium would be reminiscent of the old Soviet Union in terms of voting.
> Secondly, why is Firefox/Gecko given full weight for their vote when their marketshare is dwindling into irrelevancy?
Ironic, considering the market share of XSLT.