Comment by gf000

For Java 25 which is planned to be released in a couple of weeks:

----- https://openjdk.org/jeps/512 -----

First, we allow main methods to omit the infamous boilerplate of public static void main(String[] args), which simplifies the Hello, World! program to:

  class HelloWorld {
    void main() {
      System.out.println("Hello, World!");
    }
  }

Second, we introduce a compact form of source file that lets developers get straight to the code, without a superfluous class declaration:

  void main() {
    System.out.println("Hello, World!"); 
  }

Third, we add a new class in the java.lang package that provides basic line-oriented I/O methods for beginners, thereby replacing the mysterious System.out.println with a simpler form:

  void main() {
    IO.println("Hello, World!");
  }

Always find 'java is verbose' to be a novice argument from go coders when there is so much boilerplate on the go side of things that's nicely handled on the java side.

Every function call is 3-5 lines in Go. For any problem which needs to handle errors, the Go code is generally >2x the Java LOC. Go is a language that especially suffers from the "code padding" problem.

It's rich to complain about verbosity coming from Go.

Nonetheless, Java has eased the psvm requirements, you don't even have to explicitly declare a class and a void main method is enough. [1] Not that it would matter for any non-script code.

[1] https://openjdk.org/jeps/495

An expert Ruby programmer can do wonders and be insanely productive, but I think there is a size from which it doesn't scale as nicely (both from a performance and a larger team perspective).

PHP's frameworks are fantastic and they hide a lot from an otherwise minefield of a language (though steadily improved over the years).

Both are decent choices if this is what you/your developers know.

But they wouldn't be my personal first choice.

When did you last touch java, before 2000?

Local environments are not tied to IDEs at all, but you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't use a decent IDE irrespective of language - they are a huge productivity boost.

And are you stuck in the XML times or what? Spring Boot is insanely productive - just as a fact of matter, Go is significantly more verbose than Java, with all the unnecessary if errs.

I know, both proprietary and enterprise, right? https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/blob/idea/20... (I would also link to the Apache 2 copy of PyCharm but it wouldn't matter to folks who just enjoy shitting on professional tools)