Comment by dudefeliciano

1 year ago

you are fine with paying, 20, 90 or 200 euros a month AND having your data mined? i must be getting old...

You have it backwards. I'm paying $200/month and so I want the thing to reflect more what I want than what the general public wants. They'd better be mining my data, despite that being a term I haven't heard in over a decade.

Some people were upset that Google Maps would just take the data that contributors give it for free. My problem was different. I use Google Maps and I want a way to correct it. I don't want to be paid for this. I want the tool I'm using to be correctable by me. The more I pay for it, the more I want it to be editable by me. I don't want compensation. I want it to be better. And I can make it better.

It's sort of why we picked Kong at a different company. Open source core meant that we could edit stuff we didn't like. In fact, considering that we paid, we wanted them to upstream what we changed.

  • Yes, I share your take on this change—a way to improvements in many domains.

    Agree that the fact that these improvements will accrue within in a proprietary for profit. But still a net positive fir my work.

    Give me a FOSS LLM with Claude 4 Sonnet performance and a 1 million token context and I will work even harder toward improvements in my areas of biological NIH-funded research.

It's a tool that dependson data mining everything. The only surprise is that they weren't already data mining what people feed into it.

what are you doing with the data? What is your legacy going to be other than the data that you leave to be mined? Do you just not want something else to benefit from something that has no benefit to you? If so, why?

  • There is a myriad of reasons i may not want my data to be used. Maybe I am working on proprietary systems, maybe I am using Claude as a psychotherapist, maybe I use it as a tax advisor, the list goes on. Is it unrealistic to think that data may be extrapolated and connected to me in the future?

    • Use gpt4all or one of the other locally-hosted AI chatbots. Download a model and see if it works for you. It won't be as good as the latest models out there presumably, but at least you're not sending any chat data anywhere.

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    • Maybe I am working on proprietary systems, maybe I am using Claude as a psychotherapist, maybe I use it as a tax advisor, the list goes on.

      Then use the business version.

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  • Oh and i forgot the most important thing, I am paying good money for this service, now they also mine my data? I grew up in a time where "if it's free, you're the product". I guess that's not even the case anymore, if you pay, you're still the product...

    • That was never the case. You paid money for food in the store? Tracked and data mined. You pay for spotify? Tracked and data mined. Only thing not tracked are things where it is impossible/worthless to track it

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