Comment by bilekas
1 day ago
I really don't know, can you share some times they claimed definitively that it happened ?
It's usually claimed to "be believed to have murdered X" - His brother for example.
But Kim himself has admitted to murder so it's not really some 'exaggeration' [0].
So unless you have something that would confirm otherwise, which would make interesting reading I will have to take my grain of salt from what we do already know.
I know it's controversial to say here, but Korean people are human too. They are not stupid insects groomed to follow some great leader as if it were the queen of the hive. Most of what you assume to know about Koreans and likely Chinese or Vietnamese people is false. It's pure propaganda.
Also lol for linking the BBC. To me it's like linking Radio Free Asia or the New York Times and pretend those are freedom fighters.
> Also lol for linking the BBC. To me it's like linking Radio Free Asia or the New York Times and pretend those are freedom fighters.
It's not really when the reporting is reporting what was done. But here's some more articles saying the same thing ?
> Most of what you assume to know about Koreans and likely Chinese or Vietnamese people is false.
You are assuming I am making assumptions. But I can see this discussion isn't going anywhere fast.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/asia-pacific/north-kor...
https://abcnews.go.com/International/north-korea-issues-rare...
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/northkorea/20200...
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/25/916807251/kim-jong-un-apologi...
Oh yes ofc, if all imperial newspapers are saying it has happened, then it must have happened. A bit like when all imperial newspapers said there were WMD in Irak and that's why America had to destroy this country.
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I don't see a controversy on HN where the problem with North Korea is supposed to be the people must not be human. You, me, North Koreans, South Koreans, and anybody else are obviously all people. These are regions of people, not species listings. As such, we obviously all fall for silly beliefs - that's one thing humans do.
Sometimes that bites us in the ass real bad, sometimes it's less severe, but humans aren't defined as being perfect. Believing being human makes you immune to the same kinds of belief problems as other humans have gotten themselves into results in bite-you-in-the-ass results more often, among other problems.
This sounds very soviet, I see them all the time showing some traveling guide to NK and claiming is a paradise like USSR was, but then you ask why do this regimes have walls and kill the people that try to escape the paradise? why do people want to escape the paradise risking their lives ?
And to have the balls to claim you can't trust people that lived in NK and escaped and you should better trust who? those NK propaganda images the soviets are spreading around ?
I call soviets the home sovieticus, the imperialists bastards that excuse that criminal regime and want it back, like the Zeds and their friends.
> but then you ask why do this regimes have walls and kill the people that try to escape the paradise?
Now do the same for the country you are very fond of. It wouldn't be so hard, right?
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