Comment by epolanski

16 hours ago

> Poland voted for the wrong government... EU suspended funds until they voted for the right government at the next election.

I am polish, please *do not spread falsehood*.

EU funds suspension came because of Polish non-compliance with several EU laws.

Most notably the previous government had created a "new" government-controlled chamber of judgement that gave de facto the executive branch control over the judicial one.

Judges in Poland could be suspended and punished if politicians didn't like their rulings. Not only that, judges could be suspended, fined and even jailed over any public comment.

This created a situation where essentially judges where promoted, punished or cherry picked according to how aligned they were to the ruling party.

This was a blatant violation of Polish constitution as well as the treaties Poland itself signed when joining the EU.

Well an euroskeptic government is out and a new as pro-EU as is possible to be (Donald Tusk was President of the EU Council) is in, so all is well... You may recognise a pattern that is at play in other countries both in the EU and outside.

  • Whether the government was EU skeptic or not is irrelevant. Plenty of EU countries had similarly EU skeptical governments.

    What matters are facts: Poland violated several points of the Treaty of the European Union, the EU Charter and CJEU rulings all stating the same thing: to be part of the European Union rule of law must be respected.

    In other words: the judicial branch of power has to be independent. Politicians write laws. Judges and not politicians, rule on whether they are respected or not.

    And again, I'm Polish, I know what I'm talking about: the previous government went far in bending the constitution, controlling the press and the judges taking our country step after step towards a dictatorship.

  • How is that related to the comment above?

    • I can't see any relation either. I get the impression, that the concept of "law", as in written and formalised law, opposed to the spoken will of a leader is going over the head of a lot of people and that missing this conceptual foundation is causing the seemingly nonrelated nature of what they were saying.

  • So what you say is that you accept one side of extremum but not other side? Democracy as in having common goal is bad but democracy as in tribalism is good?