Comment by walterbell
1 day ago
> there is never an alternative offered which my grandma could use
E2EE messenger Wire comes from the people who created usable Skype and contributed to the royalty-free audio codec Opus (https://opus-codec.org/) which now enables WebRTC (used by modern conferencing apps including Zoom, Jitsi, GoToMeeting). They contributed to the IETF encrypted group-messaging protocol MLS (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mls/about/), which has been ratified and lives alongside TLS.
IETF MLS is one step on a long path to messenger interoperability, e.g. Matrix plans to implement MLS. Contributors to MLS include Apple, Cisco and Facebook.
Unlike Signal, Wire never mandated disclosure of phone number or address book contacts. Their business model is paid enterprise customers, but they continue to maintain free clients for iOS, Android and web, with open-source client and server code.
I think you missed my entire point.
I'm happy there's alternatives. Competition is good. But that's beside my point.
Maybe to make the same mistake I'm critiquing, am I understanding things correctly? Does the free version of Wire not encrypt messages at rest?[0]. Seems weird to not make the messages encrypted when they're on device. I think this is going to be a deal breaker for people because they don't want their whole conversation history scrapped anytime they get stopped at a border crossing.
[0] https://wire.com/en/pricing