Comment by scarface_74
5 months ago
You call 60 years of racial segregation that affected an entire race of people in several states “cherry picking”?
It’s a huge difference between “a few people being racist” and laws enforcing segregation and laws against interracial marriage.
The racists have always been in power. You can look at the justice system, the disparity between sentencing for the same crimes across races etc.
The Supreme Court said you can’t use race as a basis for college admissions. But you can use it as a basis for arresting someone.
Fox News is the most popular news network and isn’t part of social media.
>You call 60 years of racial segregation that affected an entire race of people in several states “cherry picking”?
Why are people who call themselves "progressive" so obsessed with events from half a century ago?
>The racists have always been in power.
It amazes me how quickly people forgot that we had 8 years of Obama. That was a lot more recent than racial segregation.
>the disparity between sentencing for the same crimes
The vast majority of this disparity seems to go away when you control for arrest offense, criminal history, etc.: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377
>The Supreme Court said you can’t use race as a basis for college admissions. But you can use it as a basis for arresting someone.
Well yeah, if someone fits the description of a criminal suspect, why not?
>Fox News is the most popular news network and isn’t part of social media.
When's the last time Fox News advocated for segregation or laws against interracial marriage?
IMO you've been making some very handwavey arguments which are collapsing important distinctions.
In any case... you can see from Table 13 in this PDF (page 13) that the rate of black-on-white crime is over 3x the rate of white-on-black crime: https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/cv23.pdf
This isn't something which happened 60 years ago. This is data from 2023. It's more recent / greater in magnitude than most of the points you've been making. So, would it be fair to conclude that black people in the US are hostile to the "other", akin to the conclusion you made in your original comment?
Well not to bury the lede, a Fox News host just said that homeless people should be killed last week…
> It amazes me how quickly people forgot that we had 8 years of Obama. That was a lot more recent than racial segregation.
You mean the same 8 years that a large part of the country was saying he wasn’t really an American and that he was a secret Muslim wanting to bring Sharia law?
> Well yeah, if someone fits the description of a criminal suspect, why not?
So you’re okay with harassing all Hispanics because they “fit the description.”? Including American citizens?
Let’s look at what the government data says about discrepancy in sentencing…
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...
https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/one-in-five-racial...
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...
You previously claimed: "The racists have always been in power." Now you've retreated to: "A country of 340 million people includes some individuals who have wacko political opinions." Those aren't the same thing!
>So you’re okay with harassing all Hispanics because they “fit the description.”? Including American citizens?
It's not the policy I would pursue if I were president. But I also wouldn't consider it harassment if a cop asked to see my ID.
If there's a community that has been breaking the law on a massive scale, there should be more shame associated with that lawbreaking than there is shame associated with enforcing the law. How are you going to have a functional society if there is more shame for enforcing the law than there is breaking it?
Your first link says that black men receive sentences that are 13.4% longer than white men. I think we should work to reduce that, but it's less than half the size of the male/female sentencing disparity from the same source (29.2%), and it's nothing compared to the 226% disparity in cross-racial crime victimization.
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