Comment by 0xDEAFBEAD

5 months ago

Race relations were better in the 2000-2010 period, according to Gallup data:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1687/race-relations.aspx

Easy to cherry-pick stuff. You can cherry-pick Jim Crow south; I can cherry-pick Chicago in the 90s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDmAI67nBGU

I think we have to get past black-and-white thinking and see it as a matter of degree. With 340 million people in the USA, realistically, at least a few of them will always be racist. The question is how powerful and influential the racists are. That's a question which social media feeds into.

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scarface_74  5 months ago

You call 60 years of racial segregation that affected an entire race of people in several states “cherry picking”?

It’s a huge difference between “a few people being racist” and laws enforcing segregation and laws against interracial marriage.

The racists have always been in power. You can look at the justice system, the disparity between sentencing for the same crimes across races etc.

The Supreme Court said you can’t use race as a basis for college admissions. But you can use it as a basis for arresting someone.

Fox News is the most popular news network and isn’t part of social media.

  • 0xDEAFBEAD  5 months ago

    >You call 60 years of racial segregation that affected an entire race of people in several states “cherry picking”?

    Why are people who call themselves "progressive" so obsessed with events from half a century ago?

    >The racists have always been in power.

    It amazes me how quickly people forgot that we had 8 years of Obama. That was a lot more recent than racial segregation.

    >the disparity between sentencing for the same crimes

    The vast majority of this disparity seems to go away when you control for arrest offense, criminal history, etc.: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377

    >The Supreme Court said you can’t use race as a basis for college admissions. But you can use it as a basis for arresting someone.

    Well yeah, if someone fits the description of a criminal suspect, why not?

    >Fox News is the most popular news network and isn’t part of social media.

    When's the last time Fox News advocated for segregation or laws against interracial marriage?

    IMO you've been making some very handwavey arguments which are collapsing important distinctions.

    In any case... you can see from Table 13 in this PDF (page 13) that the rate of black-on-white crime is over 3x the rate of white-on-black crime: https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/cv23.pdf

    This isn't something which happened 60 years ago. This is data from 2023. It's more recent / greater in magnitude than most of the points you've been making. So, would it be fair to conclude that black people in the US are hostile to the "other", akin to the conclusion you made in your original comment?

tptacek  5 months ago

I don't understand the claim here about "Chicago in the 1990s". Can you say more? I lived here through the 1990s and it was a major city like any other. But maybe that's what you were saying?