Comment by ugh123
8 months ago
Have you thought about moving to Discord? I'm sure it won't be free for your org, but could be friendlier terms.
8 months ago
Have you thought about moving to Discord? I'm sure it won't be free for your org, but could be friendlier terms.
Discord is (rightfully) finally under the scrutiny it is due. I would say that their choice of Mattermost is apt.
Isn't this basically the same as Slack, just good for _now_?
I do use discord myself. But as a company I wouln't put all my communication data in the hands of a company that could just do the same as Slack did, in some foreseeable future.
This is hilarious. People suggesting to move to Discord, because Slack walled garden has started to profit from the vendor lock-in they've created.
This shows that many people still have no idea what's going on. That you shouldn't use Slack OR Discord.
It's really incredible, although expected.
Yep. We millenials spent decades talking about free and libre protocols (and software) and kids today love another walled garden against another one... good luck with that.
Inb4 "IRC sucks"... Jabber/XMPP exists since late 00's (at least ready enough compared to the first versions) and there are pretty fine clients for every OS.
Listen, I'm an old fart who may have been messing around on IRC when you were just a twinkle in your parents' eyes. IRC does suck along a lot of important metrics. The GPL open-source community-developed project I worked on for 19 years moved from IRC to Matrix several years ago, and the payoff in terms of engagement was obvious immediately.
I agree that walled gardens are a trap. But you're not going to convince people to move to free solutions without being able to recognize clearly why they walled gardens are so attractive in the first place.
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This. It is mind boggling to see an organization that teaches tech related stuff be so clueless about the dangers of proprietary software, cloud services and walled gardens.
is... was it Ellis island?
How about https://once.com/campfire
Second this. I'm fond of just enough principle, and this is exactly that.
Or better this: https://github.com/basecamp/once-campfire
I'm confused. In the FAQ they mention issuing licenses for self-hosting, but the code base in MIT licensed so why would you need an issued license?
I am somewhat guessing here: They used to sell this app (for, idk, $300 I think?) until recently. The FAQ might not have been updated in full to reflect the fact that it's now open source.
Sure, so 5 years from now they will be in the exact same situation.
Ok, whats your suggestion?
I would recommend that people stop taking this kind of bait, especially as an organization. Discord is free for now but that's bound to change and you can't have any expectation of privacy there.
In my eyes they're practically the poster child for an organization who could (and arguably should) be running their own solution on their own servers.
Perhaps self-hosted Revolt Chat [1] which I've been keeping an eye on but I don't have any first hand experience with it. There are many more solutions in this space though.
[1] https://revolt.chat/
I explored revolt with a group of friends earlier this year, along several other solutions such as Matrix Element, Telegram and the new TeamSpeak.
Neither Revolt nor others are unfortunately at the right level of maturity to be adopted seriously. The team is doing a great job, but it’s still extremely basic.
Discord with all its warts is still the best way to have group calls in a casual setting.
We've deployed mattermost at my company because it meets most requirements that slack did minus the SSO. Surprisingly used by some big government agencies (NASA/USAF)
I was going to suggest the same. Why would it not be free? I would expect it to be free. I don't think running a server costs anything.
Yet.
Just takes them to hire the right marketing genius and suddenly you'll be subscribing to send more than 5 messages a week.
Even now it costs extra to have file uploads over 50MB, high quality audio, and large video calls. Features that an organisation like this could legitimately need.
we use discord, it's great, we wrote our own bots for the things we need. In terms of making money, it's just discord has a different model for making money, it doesn't want the servers to cost money, it wants as many servers as possible so many people want to use discord. It sells directly to users.
Going from a greedy corporation to another greedy corporation is not a good idea.
Discord is pretty horrible when compared to Slack… can’t change the tiny font size for starters
you can literally change the font size to up to 24px and then double it again if that isn't enough using zoom level in discord
There is no way to change the font size in the Discord app on iOS
Even under accessibility you can only change things like contrast
Of course you can change the font and font size.
Show me how I change them in the iOS apps…
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