Comment by lupusreal

1 month ago

Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.

Also for the 850K middle eastern Jews that were kicked out of their countries by arabs?

  • Kicked out? Is that what you call the One Million Plan and all the other plans like it? They were imported there because that's been the MO of the state of Israel since the Irgun and Haganah first envisioned it.

  • If committing genocide puts the genociders in a tough spot, then I’m actually cool with that

  • On genetic terms, the Palestinians are virtually identical to Semitic Jews.

    There's been plenty of slander to try to say they're more arab, but they're essentially close cousins.

    Which leads one to believe, perhaps a large amount of the jews in the region simply moved on with the times with the new religion taking hold.

    Essentially Israel/Palestine is a fight between cousins, and one side's inlaws who never actually came from the region but converted elsewhere.

    So converts vs converts. Do the local converts have a say over the foreign converts?

    The idea that land rights can be derived from the bible or spans of 1000s of years is silly, but the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine going back to 1945 is within living memory.

    • > On genetic terms...

      ...race is fiction.

      Genetic analysis does not match "racial" classifications

      "Race" is a social construct

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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it.

It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

  • How do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?

    • How do you think most countries or borders were formed? It's almost all wars and displacement.

    • Israel was not formed by displacement. That's a common misconception. Jews bought lands all across Palestine in early 1900's, with bodies such as the JNF. The displacement ("Nakba") came in 1948, during the Israeli War of Independence (started by the Arabs in Palestine and abroad), and even that mostly concerned areas which participated in the war. Areas that remained peaceful integrated into Israel (today's Israeli Arabs, 23% of the population).

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  • Imagine you kill my dad, steal his house and turn me out into the street; you get convicted and sent to jail and your son gets to keep the house.

    • That what Jordan did to the Jews in Jerusalem, and then handed the house to Palestinians who decided they want to make it their capital.

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  • They have been deliberately displaced by Israeli's apartheid government giving Jewish people around the world a "right to return" to Israel. Except unlike the Palestinians, they were never from Israel in the first place so the term "right to return" as used by Israel is nothing but colonialist propaganda.

    Undoing colonialism isn't colonialism.