Comment by 727564797069706
9 days ago
Meanwhile, Estonia has a "data embassy" in Luxembourg: https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-governance/data-embassy/
TL;DR: Estonia operates a Tier 4 (highest security) data center in Luxembourg with diplomatic immunity. Can actively run critical government services in real-time, not just backups.
This is because everything is in digital form. Essentially all government systems are digital-first, and for the citizen, often digital-only. If the data is lost, there may be no paper records to restore everything from land registry, business registry (operating agreements, ownership records), etc.
Without an out-of-country backup, a reversion to previous statuses means the country is lost (Estonia has been occupied a lot). With it, much of the government can continue to function, as an expat government until freedom and independence is restored.
> Estonia follows the “once-only” principle: citizens provide their data just once, and government agencies re-use it securely. The next step is proactive services—where the government initiates service delivery based on existing data, without waiting for a citizen’s request.
I wish the same concept was in Canada as well. You absolutely have to resubmit all your information every time you do a request. On top of that, federal government agencies still mail each other the information, so what usually can be done in 1 day takes a whole month to process, assuming the mail post isn't on strike (spoiler: they are now).
I think Canada is one of the worst countries in efficiency and useless bureaucracy among 1st world countries.
I wanted to update some paperwork to add my wife as a beneficiary to some accounts. I go to the bank in person and they tell me “call this number, they can add the beneficiary”. I call the number and wait on hold for 30 minutes and then the agent tells me that they will send me an email to update the beneficiary. I get an email over 24 hours later with a PDF THAT I HAVE TO PRINT OUT AND SIGN and then scan and send back to the email. I do that, but then I get another email back saying that there is another form I have to print and sign.
This is the state of banking in Canada. God forbid they just put a text box on the banking web app where I can put in my beneficiary.
Not to mention our entire health care system still runs on fax!
It blows my mind that we have some of the smartest and well educated people in the world with some of the highest gdp per capita in the world and we cannot figure out how to get rid of paper documents. You should be issued a federal digital ID at birth which is attested through a chain of trust back to the federal government. Everything related to the government should be tied back to that ID.
I used my bank as an Sign In partner for IRCC, and I lost my IRCC account after my debit card expired and I got a new one.
That is absolutely delightful. Estonia is just _good_ at this stuff. Admirable.
This comment is in some way more interesting than the topic of the article.
Definitely. Especially when considering that there were 95 other systems in this datacentre which do have backups and
> The actual number of users is about 17% of all central government officials
Far from all, and they're not sure what's recoverable yet ("“It’s difficult to determine exactly what data has been lost.”")
Which is not to say that it's not big news ("the damage to small business owners who have entered amounts to 12.6 billion Korean won.” The ‘National Happiness Card,’ used for paying childcare fees, etc., is still ‘non-functional.’"), but to put it a bit in perspective and not just "all was lost" as the original submission basically stated
Quotes from https://www.chosun.com/english/national-en/2025/10/02/FPWGFS... as linked by u/layer8 elsewhere in this thread
Totally, backup disasters are a regular occurence (maybe not to the degree of negligence) but the Estonia DR is wild.
"secured against cyberattacks or crisis situations with KSI Blockchain technology"
hmmmm