Comment by johnnyanmac

5 days ago

>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful?

Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech":

>public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation

Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interpretation Reddit uses, so your account or community will be banned for breaking its rules, regardless of your interpretation. Both dehumanize, and dehumanization is a one way ticket to denying someone as worthy of the rights humans enjoy.

How on earth is it "hate speech" to point out that men who call themselves women aren't actually women? It's a simple statement of fact.

> Denying existence or identity

These are different things (which was most of the point),

> will fall under that curtain either way

... but I fail to see how in either case.

> Both dehumanize

I don't see this, either.

Again, the actual act we refer to is:

> refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect

Is there any other aspect of how people see themselves which would lead you to the same conclusion? For example, if I consider myself physically attractive, and others disagree, are they hating me?

  • >but I fail to see how in either case.

    You're free to argue with thr reddit admins on how. It's not my call.

    But as a hint, it's pretty easy to deny existence when you dehumanize someone. If you can't see that, you may need to read more history.

    • > But as a hint, it's pretty easy to deny existence when you dehumanize someone.

      This has the logic backwards, and is also playing semantic games with the meaning of "deny existence". We're talking about a claim that someone already does not exist (which is why people think it's absurd: they're often actively having a conversation with the person they're falsely accused of believing not to exist), not the act of causing someone to cease to exist (an imprecise, colloquial way of referring to murder).