I’ve seen people discuss these types of approaches on X. To me it looks like the concepts here are already tried and popular - they’re just packaging it up so that people who aren’t as deep in that world can get the same benefits. But I’m not an expert.
Claude Code is great, this is just a set of tweaks, not really "research". For anyone into vibe coding, there are dozens of interesting video tutorials on customizing Claude Code and running practical jobs, not limited to coding.
I think most of us are irritated by the constant A/B Testing and underwhelming releases. Lets just have the bubble pop so we can solve real problems instead of this.
I'm super confused how anyone can actually afford to pay per token for llms to actually do dev.
I tried it with a feature, took about 10 minutes and a lot of iterations, and would easily have used hundreds of thousands of tokens. Doing this 20, 30 times a day would be crazy expensive.
1. It affects the fundamental ego of these engineers that a computer can do what they thought only they could do and what they thought made them better than the rest of the population. They might not realize this of course.
2. AI and all these AI systems are intelligence multipliers, with a zero around IQ 100. Zero multiplied by zero is zero, and negative multiplier just leads to garbage. So the people who say "I used AI and its garbage" should really think hard about what it says about them. I thought I was crazy to think of this hypothesis but someone else also mentioned the exact statement and I didnt think I was just being especially mean anymore.
Nothing to do with ego, but you may want to check your own projections, you know how when you speak of the others, you mainly speak of yourself (Jung or Freud, not sure). No need to be bitter about not having the grind and focus to become an engineer yourself, it is after all much harder than say, earning an MBA and you should be OK with whatever you turned out to be. Not to mention that the tools themselves, were in fact built by engineers and not by the "rest of the population", like yourself. Now having said that, I am early adopter myself, was happy to pay the premium costs for my entire company, if the tool was any kind of amplifier. But the crap just does not work. Recently the quality is degrading so much that we simply reduced it to using it for simple consultation - and we only do it because unfortunately the search has been ruined. Otherwise most of the folks both internally and externally that I know using these tools would be happy to just go back to google search and SO. Unfortunately that's not an option. Also see if your second argument makes any sense at all. Maybe it comes out of a lacking math background? Firstly, you don't need two zeroes to get a zero out at the end of the multiplication. And secondly, if an average engineer is a zero, what are folks like you then? But again, it maybe just your own projections...
For some reason youre assuming Im not an engineer which is funny and revealing.
I am an engineer and my vibe coded prototype is now in production, one of the best applications of its type in the industry, and doing really well. So well, I have a pretty large team working on it now. This project was and still is 95% written by AI. No complaints, never going back. That's my experience.
Clearly the eng community is splitting into two categories, people who think this is all never going to work and people who think otherwise. Time will tell who's right.
To anyone else reading and thinking closer to the second side, we're hiring :)
You can say it sucked and still continue to suck, but that LLM/agentic AI is degrading is simply false. Such a statement really makes me question the genuinity of the rest of the comment.
This is like a person who thinks that making a photocopy of an Einstein paper makes him Einstein. You know, Einstein wasn't that special after all and the photocopier affects his fundamental ego.
The repo is full of big AI words without any metrics/benchmark.
People are correct to question it.
If anything, Microsoft needs to show something meaningful to make people believe it's worth trying it out.
I’m not blaming them. I’m asking if anyone has tried it.
I’ve seen people discuss these types of approaches on X. To me it looks like the concepts here are already tried and popular - they’re just packaging it up so that people who aren’t as deep in that world can get the same benefits. But I’m not an expert.
Exactly. I don’t understand the cynicism in the comments and they literally are just trying to make the technology more accessible
That's a very altruistic outlook on Microsoft's intent with getting everyone to use and depend on AI.
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Claude Code is great, this is just a set of tweaks, not really "research". For anyone into vibe coding, there are dozens of interesting video tutorials on customizing Claude Code and running practical jobs, not limited to coding.
I think most of us are irritated by the constant A/B Testing and underwhelming releases. Lets just have the bubble pop so we can solve real problems instead of this.
Hehe suddenly many people will have the real problem of paying bills unfortunately
I'm super confused how anyone can actually afford to pay per token for llms to actually do dev.
I tried it with a feature, took about 10 minutes and a lot of iterations, and would easily have used hundreds of thousands of tokens. Doing this 20, 30 times a day would be crazy expensive.
They will, especially when it comes to paying back the VCs all the burnt GenAI-dollars
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I have two hypotheses:
1. It affects the fundamental ego of these engineers that a computer can do what they thought only they could do and what they thought made them better than the rest of the population. They might not realize this of course.
2. AI and all these AI systems are intelligence multipliers, with a zero around IQ 100. Zero multiplied by zero is zero, and negative multiplier just leads to garbage. So the people who say "I used AI and its garbage" should really think hard about what it says about them. I thought I was crazy to think of this hypothesis but someone else also mentioned the exact statement and I didnt think I was just being especially mean anymore.
Nothing to do with ego, but you may want to check your own projections, you know how when you speak of the others, you mainly speak of yourself (Jung or Freud, not sure). No need to be bitter about not having the grind and focus to become an engineer yourself, it is after all much harder than say, earning an MBA and you should be OK with whatever you turned out to be. Not to mention that the tools themselves, were in fact built by engineers and not by the "rest of the population", like yourself. Now having said that, I am early adopter myself, was happy to pay the premium costs for my entire company, if the tool was any kind of amplifier. But the crap just does not work. Recently the quality is degrading so much that we simply reduced it to using it for simple consultation - and we only do it because unfortunately the search has been ruined. Otherwise most of the folks both internally and externally that I know using these tools would be happy to just go back to google search and SO. Unfortunately that's not an option. Also see if your second argument makes any sense at all. Maybe it comes out of a lacking math background? Firstly, you don't need two zeroes to get a zero out at the end of the multiplication. And secondly, if an average engineer is a zero, what are folks like you then? But again, it maybe just your own projections...
For some reason youre assuming Im not an engineer which is funny and revealing.
I am an engineer and my vibe coded prototype is now in production, one of the best applications of its type in the industry, and doing really well. So well, I have a pretty large team working on it now. This project was and still is 95% written by AI. No complaints, never going back. That's my experience.
Clearly the eng community is splitting into two categories, people who think this is all never going to work and people who think otherwise. Time will tell who's right.
To anyone else reading and thinking closer to the second side, we're hiring :)
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> Recently the quality is degrading so much
You can say it sucked and still continue to suck, but that LLM/agentic AI is degrading is simply false. Such a statement really makes me question the genuinity of the rest of the comment.
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You seem to be assuming that the negative multiplier is on the human side of the equation. There’s your mistake
Alternative hypothesis is that you work on trivial problems, and therefore you get a lot of help from LLMs. Have you considered this?
Im definitely not creating the next StuxNet for sure. So Ill bow down to whoever is writing the next C compiler I suppose.
This is like a person who thinks that making a photocopy of an Einstein paper makes him Einstein. You know, Einstein wasn't that special after all and the photocopier affects his fundamental ego.