Comment by maxdo
4 months ago
EU and west finally TRYING to protect their market the way China is doing it all the time. They tax, ban, espionage everything beneficial to their society.
China would do it without a blink.
4 months ago
EU and west finally TRYING to protect their market the way China is doing it all the time. They tax, ban, espionage everything beneficial to their society.
China would do it without a blink.
Well if I'm from EU and if I know my government doesn't do espionage and all sorts of nasty things, I'd really be very worried. They (the government and its agencies) are supposed to do the nasty jobs, and it is very incompetent if they don't do so.
The West has not been trying to protect their market? What do you thing those wars have been all about?
Freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
“Protect their market” - And yet the U.S. and Europe are richer than ever.
It’s hilarious seeing the US oligarchs distracting from the fact that they’ve transferred massive amounts of wealth from the broader society to themselves by blaming every one else.
There is a fair argument to protect strategic industries and actions like these are probably needed, but let’s not pretend the “markets” are at risk because of anything China is doing, which is essentially giving Americans and Europeans actual stuff in return for pieces of paper.
If you think the west will remain the dominant force it has been without access to superior technology in business and metallurgy in military and manufacturing, I’d like some of what you’re smoking
China liberalized their economy to compete with Western economies, showing their leaders don’t really believe in communism.
And the US and Europe are moving towards command economies to keep up with China, showing their politicians don’t really believe in liberalism.
Liberalized? You mean "you can come here as long as I can copy/paste your products and push you out of business"?
That's what liberal economies are about, right. :)
No, I mean they did things like privatized state businesses, allowed entrepreneurs to start their own businesses, and created special economic zones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%E2%80%93Timor-Leste_...
Uh, you gotta understand that China has never been alone.
They would, they do and they did it. But we called them communists for doing so. ;)
communism is actually exactly the opposite of that. this is rutheless capitalism 101 from china vs religious left/right fights of the west boosted by not in my backyard individualism.
West lived for too long for too good, to start believe that they can do whatever, and live good.
Good times (60's economy) create weak men (boomers). Weak men create hard times (offshoring everything to china)
Time to see if hard times will make strong men.
Comrade Karremans it is then…
> But we called them communists for doing so. ;)
What?
They view themselves as communists. Moreover, all these policies have nothing to do with communism.
Economic Nationalism is not Communism by any sense. Nor is responding to mercantilism.
But the CCP explicitly considers themselves Marxism-Leninism with and their internal beliefs and government structure is structurally follows that.
We consider them Communists and they consider themselves Communist. They do not consider us Communist and we don't either.
You're trying to create a false conflation here and stir division. I'm interested in whose interests comments like yours really reflect. It's certainly not the truth.
> the CCP explicitly considers themselves Marxism-Leninism with and their internal beliefs and government structure is structurally follows that.
> they consider themselves Communist. They do not consider us Communist.
And you know all this because of your deep study, in the original language of course, of the CPC, their internal factions, and the collected writings in their leading policy journals, I assume, yes?
Or dare I even ask did you get this from some 250 word limit editorial in the "wall street journal"?
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You can call it Economic nationalism all you want, but these are similar principles that were applied in authoritarian states like in Fascist/Nazi times.
I don't care if they are Communists - we call them like that to say "they're authoritarian", however, we're failing to see where we (West) are getting. In order to "defend" our democracy we're becoming increasingly like them.
To think that all that it takes would be to change our lifestyle NOT to buy anymore 5 pairs of low quality shoes per year or so, but 1 or 2 good ones, maybe made by your neighbour. Which is exactly how I grew up with, until someone told us that we need to buy a load of cheap crap, otherwise you're not cool.
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You're not a murderer for killing in self defence. You are allowed to defend yourself.
Yeah, the next step is to actually think "they are all potential enemies, we should produce here and be independent, so in case there is a war we can make it". Autarky is how Fascism began.
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