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Comment by quantified

6 hours ago

Farmers voted for tariffs so they should be happy. What, they didn't think tariffs were going to be bad when just slammed on the table? Maybe they should also think about higher education, to learn how things work beyond high school education.

They've had the education system they depend on attacked and weakened for generations, they've had fear and distrust of science, experts, and scholars drilled into them, and they've been told countless lies including very comforting lies about what tariffs would mean for them by the very people they were told were the only ones who could be trusted.

I can see the appeal of blaming farmers for getting exactly what they voted for, but honestly they were suckers who were victimized. My hope is that many of them will feel betrayed enough to break free from their indoctrination and start looking for truths and answers outside of the circles which have played them for fools, but that's not going to be an easy process since it'll mean challenging their closest held prejudices and the tearing down and rebuilding of core parts of their identity. That sort of thing is hard enough to do when your world isn't falling apart around you and the last thing the ones who are willing to try need is everyone telling them they deserved what was done to them and that they'll get no sympathy from anyone.

  • I feel as bad for the farmers who voted for this as I feel for the farmers who were hurt by the civil war and the ending of slavery. They knew what they were supporting, thought they would be unaffected and actually benefit from the result.

    They are not some dumb poor podunks

  • That's a very empathetic take. But it's also essentially "society made them do it". When they also clearly voted to root out all their farm labor. They support their own education system.

    They've spent enough joy owning the libs and scorning education. It's just FAFO.

In the last trade war (2017), the farmers got 18 billion dollars in bailouts. It's the same guy, so they're waiting again for their handouts.

  • I'd bet farmers would much rather have repeat customers or the promise of future valuable repeat customers over bailouts. But with these tariffs and retaliations, their former buyers are finding new sources. Even after the trade war ends, inertia will be another hurdle for our farmers.

    • US farming already has extremely high levels of government intervention aimed at price stability. This leads to all sorts of things like the government paying some farmers not to grow crops, some farmers being prevented from selling their crops, farmers getting paid after a bad season, government minimum price guarantees, and so on. And the overwhelming majority (like 95%+) of all produce in the US is sold by farmers to commodity markets, at more or less fixed rates, who then process/distribute it.

    • Maybe they should not vote for guy who did exactly this already once and said repeatedly that he will do this.

      Frankly, they voted for Trump, because they thought only liberals, trans and other people they hate will be harmed. It is really not the case that they would be victims on an unexpected event. They wanted this to happen, just kind of to everyone else.