Comment by trenchpilgrim
2 days ago
EDIT: Original parent was "Every company does this."
Not Mullvad. Swedish police showed up looking for some dat, Mullvad didn't even collect what they wanted, police left empty handed.
2 days ago
EDIT: Original parent was "Every company does this."
Not Mullvad. Swedish police showed up looking for some dat, Mullvad didn't even collect what they wanted, police left empty handed.
Yes -- even Mullvad -- which is precisely why they do not collect the data. Because if they did have the data, they would have to give it over, or they could go to prison.
who goes to prison, the whole company? What does Swedish law have of sending corporate employees to prison? Is it something we can import?
Typically, courts will summon a specific person to comply with their request, often a corporate officer or director with a role or authority relevant to what is being requested. If they don't comply with their request, they can be held in contempt.
The specifics vary by country, but basically all legal systems require you to comply with what they say and impose penalties if you don't. I don't know if there are any countries where it's legal to ignore the courts, but I would imagine that their court systems don't work too well.
Typically that would require uncovering the veil of the corporation and usually a limited company has safety provisions against these egregious acts.
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It is true that one cannot produce the data that one does not collect. I'm not sure that is a revelation.
It is, with this crowd, where data is currency. I literally have solitaire games, trying to get me to create server accounts, so that the authors can extract PiD from me.
Tech is full of people that make extremely good money, from other people's personal information, and they plug their ears and sing "La-la-laaaa-I-can't-hear-yooouuu-la-la-la", when confronted with information that says what they are doing has problems. Not just techhies. That's fairly basic human nature.
This is pretty much the embodiment of Upton Sinclair's quote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
For my part, I don't collect any data that I don't need; even if it makes it more difficult to do stuff like administer a server.
It's only a problem if you don't want to be legally obligated to produce it. Either way, probably paying lawyer time for a response. Not that I disagree with you at all.
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