Comment by throwmeaway222

I mean everyone sees this stuff differently. In my opinion everyone is allowed to carry a gun (above 18, not crazy, etc..). If you take a loaded gun and aim it at someones head and force them to empty a cash register into a bag, I personally believe that person should NEVER be allowed in society ever again in their lifetime. (Yeah that's not how it all works). But you were willing to let that person be within strands of their life not existing. If they reacted in the wrong way - not even intentionally, the gunman will shoot. If they try to fight back because they didn't agree to empty the cash register, the gunman shoots.

That's an extreme situation that the gunman put someone in. Imagine it being YOU. Now if you could be the LAST person that gunman ever put in that situation, would you allow them to go to jail forever? Because if that's the case, the number of people in that situation ever again goes from millions to a few thousand over the next 1000 years. And many of those people will REACT and die.

So when someone starts a fire, they were like the gunman. They were willing to let a lot of people die. Then realizing they were wrong, calling the cops, and having them put the fire out, that's the same as the situation as going into 7-11 and aiming the gun, but then putting it down and walking out. But they still risked someone else's life! What if they accidentally slipped their finger? Employee DEAD.

So it's really the same thing. All that being said, I do grant that the waters are muddied at this point with the legal system. The person still deserves to be separated from civil society. He is not CIVIL!

And even though the legal system's waters are muddied, his original actions resulted in 12 people dying. The firefighters that were incompetent are not originally responsible for those 12 deaths.

The reason I want maximum punishment is that it works, it does deter. In this legal system of course there's a 50/50 those 12 people will have died without being avenged at all (and their families - all that are affected), and a 90% chance (if he is found responsible) those 12 people will get this guy in jail for 10 years. And because of those chances, people decide, that fuck even if I'm caught, it seems like in the last 10 years there is a VERY low chance of punishment. Punishment is very important in this world and life. I'm not talking about capital punishment.

A lot of people disagree with all of this, I personally think they have suicidal empathy. They have no empathy to the thousands of people that died from other peoples intentional actions - actions those people KNEW they might end up killing. They have too much empathy for the attacker. It's massive victim blaming.