Comment by hrimfaxi
19 hours ago
> This argument comes up a lot, but it feels a bit silly to me. If you want a beefy server you start out with renting one. $150/month will give you a server with 24 core Xeon and 256GB of RAM, in a data center with everything you mentined plus a 24/7 hands-on technician you can book.
What's the bandwidth and where can I rent one of these??
Hetzner [1]. Bandwidth is 1 GBit/s. You can also get 10 GBit/s, that's hidden away a bit instead of being mentioned on the order page [2]
1: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ex
2: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/network/10g-...
I have wished for years that Hetzner would offer their bare metal servers in the U.S., and not just Hetzner Cloud.
Here is US Hetzner: https://ioflood.com/
Their prices have come down a lot. I used them when the servers still cost $200 a piece, but their support at the time was fantastic.
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How is that any different from cloud?
This whole thread was a response to
> Today at AWS, it is easily possible for people to spend a multiple of the cost of that hardware setup every month for far less compute power and storage.
suggesting to use a few beefy servers but if we are renting them from cloud we're back where we started.
The difference from the big clouds is that an equivalent instance at AWS costs 10x as much. If you go with few beefy servers AWS offers very little value for the money they charge, they only make sense for "cloud native" architectures. But if you rent raw servers from traditional hosters you can get prices much closer to the amortized costs of running them yourself, with the added convenience of having them in a certified data center with 24/7 security, backup power, etc.
If you want more control than that, colo is also pretty cheap [1]. But I'd consider that a step above what 95% of people need
https://www.hetzner.com/colocation
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Not ideal when a large part of your userbase is in APAC.
https://us.ovhcloud.com/bare-metal/prices/?display=list
also pretty sure 24 cores is like 48 cloud “cores” which are usually just hyper threads right?
IME, a cloud "core" is even worse than a hyperthread. I'm not sure if they oversubscribe, or underclock, or if it's virtualization overhead... but anyway, not great.
They oversubscribe.