Comment by scotty79
12 hours ago
Not teaching your son a second language so he can escape the country with draft as soon as he's 18 is evil.
You are obligated to give your child tools to choose his future if your government is trying to deny him that choice.
Did you respond to the wrong comment or is this flying way over my head? I'm not actually sure how you arrived at talking about children needing to learn another language from this article that doesn't discuss language?
They are starting a new discussion about the ethics of drafting because you mentioned "universal male conscription".
In that discussion they are saying that it's unethical to have a child in a country that will draft him unless you prepare him (via learning another language, etc.) to leave as soon as he is 18.
(Just explaining, not putting forth any take on the matter).
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No you have a duty and obligation to the society that raised you.
The converse is also true, however.
If, for example, society sees fit to deprive me of my right to security (for instance, perhaps it deigns to throw me in jail if I defend myself against a home invasion), then society doesn't get to demand I give my life for its security.
In this way, it is society that has broken the contract with me, releasing me of my obligations to defend it. Most people who claim "duty and obligation to society" conveniently forget this is possible. By accident, I'm sure.
When did I claim otherwise. You can have multiple duties and they can conflict.
How much raising of the typical pleb draftee do you think is done by the politician declaring the war? Society is just a collection of people. Even if there is some original debt from being raised that forms a binding contract with a minor that never consented to it, which I don't take on face, it's hard to imagine how politicians declaring a draft trump the senior shareholders of that contract (the family that did the bulk of the raising).
In any case I would hope we would reject the notion that you can become a slave and made to die for the state because you allegedly owe them for something they did for you before you were old enough to even wittingly object or agree to it.
Drafting people to fight in pointless overseas wars is a blatant violation of the social contract and the people who made those decisions should be hung. That doesn't mean you don't have a natural duty to defend the society that supported your very existence.
abs(ofuckinglutely) you do not.
People wonder why north america has gone to shit and this is it right here.
Your obligations are your choices. Only a slave has obligations without freely chosing them.
Can I unchoose my obligation to my 2 year old or am I a slave.
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obligation and choice are antonyms :-)
(I do agree with what you are trying to say though)
I was raised by my family, thank you very much.
What happens to your family when the conqueror from the next country over rolls into town?
Does your family exist in a vacuum?
Thereis a huge difference between going to war somewhere and defending when being invaded