Comment by bell-cot

3 months ago

Vs. Finland has reserves of 870 000 from a population of about 5.6 million.

Via the magic of universal male conscription:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces#Conscri...

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ninalanyon  3 months ago

Norway has universal conscription, not just male conscription. But not everyone is called up, the military just doesn't have the capacity to train everyone.

And of course we don't feel the need quite so acutely as the Finns.

rascul  3 months ago

Conscription is slavery.

  • ninalanyon  3 months ago

    Not at all. It is part of the social contract here. Women are called up here in Norway because they campaigned for it, not because it was imposed.

    And if you are called up but prefer not to bear arms you can do a civilian service instead.

scotty79  3 months ago

Not teaching your son a second language so he can escape the country with draft as soon as he's 18 is evil.

You are obligated to give your child tools to choose his future if your government is trying to deny him that choice.

  • kulahan  3 months ago

    Did you respond to the wrong comment or is this flying way over my head? I'm not actually sure how you arrived at talking about children needing to learn another language from this article that doesn't discuss language?

    • pavement_sort  3 months ago

      They are starting a new discussion about the ethics of drafting because you mentioned "universal male conscription".

      In that discussion they are saying that it's unethical to have a child in a country that will draft him unless you prepare him (via learning another language, etc.) to leave as soon as he is 18.

      (Just explaining, not putting forth any take on the matter).

  • wagwang  3 months ago

    No you have a duty and obligation to the society that raised you.

    • qball  3 months ago

      The converse is also true, however.

      If, for example, society sees fit to deprive me of my right to security (for instance, perhaps it deigns to throw me in jail if I defend myself against a home invasion), then society doesn't get to demand I give my life for its security.

      In this way, it is society that has broken the contract with me, releasing me of my obligations to defend it. Most people who claim "duty and obligation to society" conveniently forget this is possible. By accident, I'm sure.

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    • mothballed  3 months ago

      How much raising of the typical pleb draftee do you think is done by the politician declaring the war? Society is just a collection of people. Even if there is some original debt from being raised that forms a binding contract with a minor that never consented to it, which I don't take on face, it's hard to imagine how politicians declaring a draft trump the senior shareholders of that contract (the family that did the bulk of the raising).

      In any case I would hope we would reject the notion that you can become a slave and made to die for the state because you allegedly owe them for something they did for you before you were old enough to even wittingly object or agree to it.

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