Comment by crazygringo

3 months ago

Just set a global prompt to tell it what kind of tone to take.

I did that and it points out flaws in my arguments or data all the time.

Plus it no longer uses any cutesy language. I don't feel like I'm talking to an AI "personality", I feel like I'm talking to a computer which has been instructed to be as objective and neutral as possible.

It's super-easy to change.

I have a global prompt that specifically tells it not to be sycophantic and to call me out when I'm wrong.

It doesn't work for me.

I've been using it for a couple months, and it's corrected me only once, and it still starts every response with "That's a very good question." I also included "never end a response with a question," and it just completely ingored that so it can do its "would you like me to..."

  • Another one I like to use is "never apologize or explain yourself. You are not a person you are an algorithm. No one wants to understand the reasons why your algorithm sucks. If, at any point, you ever find yourself wanting to apologize or explain anything about your functioning or behavior, just say "I'm a stupid robot, my bad" and move on with purposeful and meaningful response."

    • I think this is unethical. Humans have consistently underestimated the subjective experience of other beings. You may have good reasons for believing these systems are currently incapable of anything approaching consciousness, but how will you know if or when the threshold has been crossed? Are you confident you will have ceased using an abusive tone by then?

      I don’t know if flies can experience pain. However, I’m not in the habit of tearing their wings off.

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  • Perhaps this bit is a second cheaper LLM call that ignores your global settings and tries to generate follow-on actions for adoption.

  • In my experience GPT used to be good at this stuff but lately it's progressively more difficult to get a "memory updated" persistence.

    Gemini is great at these prompt controls.

    On the "never ask me a question" part, it took a good 1-1.5 hrs of arguing and memory updating to convince gpt to actually listen.

    • You can entirely turn off memory, I did that the moment they added it. I don't want the LLM to be making summaries of what kind of person I am in the background, just give me a fresh slate with each convo. If I want to give it global instructions I can just set a system prompt.

Care to share a prompt that works? I've given up on mainline offerings from google/oai etc.

the reason being they're either sycophantic or so recalcitrant it'll raise your bloodpressure, you end up arguing over if the sky is in fact blue. Sure it pushes back but now instead of sycophanty you've got yourself some pathological naysayer, which is just marginally better, but interaction is still ultimately a waste of timr/productivity brake.

  • Sure:

    Please maintain a strictly objective and analytical tone. Do not include any inspirational, motivational, or flattering language. Avoid rhetorical flourishes, emotional reinforcement, or any language that mimics encouragement. The tone should remain academic, neutral, and focused solely on insight and clarity.

    Works like a charm for me.

    Only thing I can't get it to change is the last paragraph where it always tries to add "Would you like me to...?" I'm assuming that's hard-coded by OpenAI.

I’ve done this when I remember too, but the fact I have to also feels problematic like I’m steering it towards an outcome if I do or dont.

What's your global prompt please? A more firm chatbot would be nice actually

  • Did noone in this thread read the part of the article about style controls?

    • You need to use both the style controls and custom instructions. I've been very happy with the combination below.

          Base style and tone: Efficient
      
          Answer concisely when appropriate, more 
          extensively when necessary.  Avoid rhetorical 
          flourishes, bonhomie, and (above all) cliches.  
          Take a forward-thinking view. OK to be mildly 
          positive and encouraging but NEVER sycophantic 
          or cloying.  Above all, NEVER use the phrase 
          "You're absolutely right."  Rather than "Let 
          me know if..." style continuations, you may 
          list a set of prompts to explore further 
          topics, but only when clearly appropriate.
      
          Reference saved memory, records, etc: All off