Comment by Workaccount2

7 hours ago

OpenAI said that only ~4% of generated tokens are for programming.

ChatGPT is overwhelmingly, unambiguously, a "regular people" product.

Yes, just look at the stats on OpenRouter. OpenAI has almost totally lost the programming market.

  • OpenRouter probably doesn't mean much given that you can use the OpenAI API directly with the openai library that people use for OpenRouter too.

I mean, yes, but also because it's not as good as Claude today. Bit of a self fulfilling prophecy and they seem to be measuring the wrong thing.

4% of their tokens or total tokens in the market?

  • > it's not as good as Claude today

    In my experience this is not true anymore. Of course, mine is just one data point.

  • You're underestimating the amount of general population that's using ChatGPT. Us, people using it for codegen, are extreme minority.

  • > I mean, yes, but also because it's not as good as Claude today.

    I'm not sure, sometimes GPT-5 Codex (or even the regular GPT-5 with Medium/High reasoning) can do things Sonnet 4.5 would mess up (most recently, figuring out why some wrappers around PrimeVue DataTable components wouldn't let the paginator show up and work correctly; alongside other such debugging) and vice versa, sometimes Gemini 2.5 Pro is also pretty okay (especially when it comes to multilingual stuff), there's a lot of randomness/inconsistency/nuance there but most of the SOTA models are generally quite capable. I kinda thought GPT-5 wasn't very good a while ago but then used it a bunch more and my views of it improved.

  • Their tokens, they released a report a few months ago.

    However, I can only imagine that OpenAI outputs the most intentionally produced tokens (i.e. the user intentionally went to the app/website) out of all the labs.