Comment by HDThoreaun

6 months ago

Not why it was created, why the systems in the brain lead to consciousness. Your option B requires understanding not just mechanically how but the fundamental reason for why consciousness appears. If we just understand the mechanics all we can confidently do is work toward a more and more accurate representation of the brain. AGI without consciousness is speculated but hard for me to believe in.

As noted, consciousness seems to just be the ability to self-observe, which is useful as another predictive input.

I would expect that all intelligent animals are conscious, and any AI we build with a roughly brain-like architecture in terms of connections, looping, and being prediction based would also report itself to be conscious and describe a similar subjective experience. LLMs seem much too simple (just layer-wise pass-thru data flow) to be conscious.

It's possible that some of the neural connections supporting consciousness may have evolved, or been enhanced, due to the evolutionary value of enhanced self-prediction (i.e. this is the reason), but as noted I expect it basically "comes for free" with any complete enough cognitive/sensory architecture.

  • > As noted, consciousness seems to just be the ability to self-observe, which is useful as another predictive input.

    As far as I know, consciousness is referring to something other than self-referential systems, especially with regards to the hard problem of consciousness.

    The [philosophical zombie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie) thought experiment is well-known for imagining something with all the structural characteristics that you mention but without conscious experience as in "what-its-like" to be someone.

    • It seems entirely possible that the "philosophical zombie" is an impossible/illogical construct, and that in fact anything with all the structure necessary for consciousness will of necessity be conscious.

      When considering the structural underpinnings of consciousness, it's interesting to note the phenomena of "blindsight", which is essentially a loss of visual consciousness without an actual loss of vision!

      Note that anything with mental access to it's own deliberations and sensory inputs will by definition always be able to report "what it's like" to be themselves - what they are experiencing (what's in their mind). If something reports to you their quales of vision or hearing, isn't this exactly what we mean by "what it's like" to be them - how they feel they are experiencing the world?!

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