Comment by kace91
2 months ago
chiropractors also have an origin in pseudoscience, they have sort of evolved into scientific studies in many ways but part of the quackery remains.
2 months ago
chiropractors also have an origin in pseudoscience, they have sort of evolved into scientific studies in many ways but part of the quackery remains.
In what way are they anything but quacks?
In studying actual science along with the fake stuff, mostly. Nowadays they have anatomy, physical therapy classes, etc.
Some of their techniques are also proven to be useful-ish for short term pain management (not for the reasons they claim, it’s similar to acupuncture). So someone who actually tells the patient that the treatment is exclusively for physical therapy and only short time benefits might be useful.
Few are that honest, but for some people that kind of short term help is vital.
It might be what gets you through the wait for a long term procedure, or what lets you rest and sleep to improve actual recovery, for example. Pain management is a need for some people.
They have more scope to experiment, in my case it was a way for me to access PRP injections before wider adoption. They are paid rather orthography to treatment, they can treat other things while also giving you regular spinal adjustments - similar to the idea that researchers should be paid to teach as paying them to research will pollute the research. We need a way to continue paying dentists so they can stop finding ‘soft spots’ that don’t exist.
I dislike the quackery but traditional science isn’t free from it either. I wish everyone was rational, evidence based and disinterested (as in not having a particular interest on biasing an outcome). But the world we live in is far from that. Consider the percentage of ‘normal’ medical doctors in Germany who believe in homeopathy. A large part of that is due to the terrain school of thought in medicine which lost out to germ theory. An artifact of history rather than rational people and rational study. I’m still looking for a better way the phrase it; but it seems to me that the belief in the belief of science far exceeds the actual belief in science.
If doctors / medical researchers really were so good at research they wouldn’t have taken so long to rediscover the ancient practice of prolotherapy.
> in my case it was a way for me to access PRP injections before wider adoption
So they are not only quacks, but also grifters? The evidence for PRP is basically non-existent. It doesn't hold up in RCTs: https://www.jwatch.org/na54355/2021/12/27/evidence-against-p...
(To be fair, chiros are not unique in grifting PRP -- I've seen traditional doctors selling it too.)
> Consider the percentage of ‘normal’ medical doctors in Germany who believe in homeopathy.
I hadn't heard of this, but, yeah, that's also quackery. Wild. 32% of German GPs report "using" homeopathy once a week. The US medical system may have some problems, but at least believing in homeopathy isn't one of them.
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Chiropractic was taught to its founder by a ghost
That’s funny.
But when Ramanujan says 1 + 2 + 3 + … = -1/12 because god told him we accept that as a reasonable explanation.
>But when Ramanujan says 1 + 2 + 3 + … = -1/12 because god told him we accept that as a reasonable explanation.
What community accepts that as reasonable explanation?
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1 + 2 + 3 + … = -1/12 in the sense that you can factor out the divergence in a well-defined way, and the remainder is -1/12, not 0. Anybody glossing over that divergence is just baiting you, usually for advertising revenue.
So you're saying it belongs under divinity?
It was some regular dead dude’s ghost not god
The ghost wasn't holy
Meanwhile when seeking treatment for pain with western medicine:
* first see a GP, no real diagnosis.
* get an ultrasound - everyone already knows it won’t show anything of use but insurance companies require this escalation path
* get an xray - same as above
* maybe if you insist get an MRI.
* regardless the treatment is the same: go to a PT’s office.
That's an artifact of the health system (as an economic/insurance system), not of medicine itself. Chiropractors are different, the problem with them isn't the bureaucracy of insurance.
Conflating medicine with how health systems work in some countries is a serious error.
physical therapist != chiropractor