Comment by ksec

4 hours ago

The problem is double dipping. If Intel and AMD represent 100% of all x86 Laptop. In theory Intel and AMD would pay the HEVC fees once, which is capped IRRC at $100M from all patent pool together. And all x86 devices would have HEVC licenses. HP and Dell shouldn't have to pay for it.

In practice it seems everyone in the value chain are forced to pay, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, HP, Dell and then even browser and software.

Luckily H.264 High Profile is already patent free in many countries and soon to be patent free in US too. Let's hope AV2 really get its act together this time around. Then the world would just be H.264 as baseline and AV2 for high quality.

> In theory Intel and AMD would pay the HEVC fees once, which is capped IRRC at $100M from all patent pool together.

My understanding is that the licensing lawyers learned from Cisco doing that with H.264 for Firefox and there isn’t a cap with H.265.

  • There is definitely a cap with HEVC Advance and VIA. Not sure if they have closed anything about the H.264 loophole.

> The problem is double dipping.

No, the problem is trying to use royalty-bearing formats for internet video. Royalty-free formats like AV1 avoid the problem.

  • This is the correct answer. AV1 is amazing and with a bit more funding and hardware support it could get us out of this entire mess.

Until AV3 finally rolls around, of course. Then the world would be just H.264 as baseline and AV3 for high quality.