Comment by AndrewKemendo
3 months ago
You can’t avoid the reality that’s your life depends on something else dying. Either plant insect or animal
How and why you draw the line on what is acceptable to kill is mostly arbitrary
I’d argue a mushroom or a bee are more “conscious” than most chickens
>>You can’t avoid the reality that’s your life depends on something else dying. Either plant insect or animal
There are more nuanced ways of thinking about this. A good example is Jainism's version of vegetarianism which requires paying attention to what one consumes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism
"Jains make considerable efforts not to injure plants in everyday life as far as possible. Jains accept such violence only in as much as it is indispensable for human survival, and there are special instructions for preventing unnecessary violence against plants."
Chickens are very intelligent, it just happens that most people ever see chickens in overcrowded small spaces where they behave idiotically. So would you if you would be in the same situation.
I kept chickens for 15 years (mostly free-roaming in my backyard, unless there was a fox lurking, so not in overcrowded small spaces) and I disagree. To me they seemed pretty stupid, and pretty mean to one another
We've had a small amount (just 3) with plenty of space and it was fun to observe them, all sort of interesting behaviors.
My favorite thing is them cooperating against a common enemy (a dog that was eating their food sometimes, which we've tried to mitigate but not being much successful).
Then once they had a discussion in the opposite corner about the problem and launched a stealth attack, covering themselves behind the trees while approaching the dog without the dog knowing it. Then once close enough they attacked from behind, the dog squeaked, more from the surprise than pain and since then the dog never touched their food again and avoided them.
I kept chickens for a while and it was very clear that they'd be more than happy to eat us if able to.
You think that a mushroom is more capable of intelligent thought and emotion driven decisions than a chicken?
lmao
Maybe you should learn about what a mushroom is
Three and four are both non-zero numbers. Zero constitutes the absence of value. Therefore, three and four are of the same value.
You see the problem here, right? I'm not saying that fungi have not be recorded as having potential intelligent thought. I am saying that in no world is their capability for intelligence remotely comparable to that of a creature with a fully functioning brain, especially a bird. Having the ability to react to your environment does not make you AS or more intelligent than other things that can also do that...
EDIT: I'm using intelligence and consciousness interchangeably here when I don't necessarily mean to, but my point stands.