Comment by poly2it

1 day ago

> unlimited storage

Surely it's not actually unlimited. I wish such claims wouldn't be as common in the industry.

It's a little like "unlimited holidays". If you turn up on day 1 and then say "Right, I'm off on my unlimited holidays! See you never!" and disappeared, they would stop paying you. There is an implicit fair use clause in all unlimited offers - I know a guy who pushed back on "unlimited holidays" because he didn't want to get penalised in performance reviews and it turns out that in his UK-based org it was 29 days a year, or one day more than the legal statutory minimum.

Firms like penpot are basically saying "look, if you pay us this much, we're not going to put hard quotas on you, just get on with it", but if you then try storing backups of annas archive on it, they are probably going to suggest that you are not operating within the spirit of the agreement, even if you're within the letter of it: fair use will apply.

Some people like to know where they stand. They want hard quotas. So fine, ask them for hard quotas. Ask for the fair use clause and understand it.

Most of us know what it means (it's a soft quota with fair use limitations), and are happy with not abusing the tier and having a bit more freedom, though.

  • Hah. I'm a self employed freelancer, but a friend works for (MegaCorp Intl) and every time we go for beers he mentions that he has "Unlimited Paid Time Off". But whenever I ask if that means he could take a few months to hike the Andes with me, he says.... well, no, actually they'd fire him if he took too much time. How much is too much? I ask. Well basically anything that would make them notice his absence, apparently.

    • Every company is different. I’ve had the “unlimited time off” company where the CEO would go after anyone who took a week or more.

      I’ve also had the unlimited time off company where I took an actual month off and it was fine because I got my work done.

    • And there's a problem in the other direction too - I don't expect people who really can leave for a few months without their absence being noticable to have much job security.

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  • The issue is that if storage is too cheap, people will inevitably mine filecoin on it. Additionally, promising "unlimited storage" and not holding that promise might be a legal liability.

It likely is as it is not general purpose storage.

Even though your Linux iso's are called "images", they can not be added to a penpot design file - sorry to say.

  • Can penpot import images? Given enough time, anything that can store PNG will become an automated backup backend

Does it really matter if in real-world-use 99% of the users never hit any limit? And I cannot blame anyone to use "unlimited" instead of "fair use, with reasonably large limits so that you will (probably) never see any restrictions in your use of the product"

  • HN users want to know if you're allowed to host the whole Internet on it.

    • Creative people could start encoding terabytes of movies inside of Penpot documents.

    • This is why we can't have nice things.

      People see 'unlimited' and will do everything in their power to 'fact-check' it, forcing the producer to place a 'hard cap' and making everyone's life worse.

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Perhaps "uncapped" rather than "unlimited" would be a better term for us to start using

  • I would say it's the opposite. If there is moral compass and we don't get high-up if someone tries to store their Linux isos on pen pot and gets a ban.