Comment by ben_w

6 hours ago

> including just continuing to use illegal encryption.

First, this can be made a crime by itself, and detected automatically because the mandatory back-doors fail.

Second, what gets talked about in public (the only thing any of us knows for sure, but also definitely not the whole picture) includes foreign governments recruiting locals via normal messenger apps.

More of a problem is that the back-doors can be exploited by both criminals and hostile powers.

> First, this can be made a crime by itself, and detected automatically because the mandatory back-doors fail.

You're assuming they continue to use monitored channels to carry it out.

  • I am assuming that the entire (EU in this case) internet is monitored for un-decryptable messages, and that they use the internet.

    Can you square the circle, even in principle, without questions of cost?

    • The issue is that EU does not control the internet, nor all means of communication. Nor perfect form of monitoring exists so question is moot in itself. Especially as perfect encryption is indistinguishable from noise.

      and the answer is no but yes - by encrypting everything E2E you can massively reduce harm done, and treat espionage/crime as policy/economic problem instead.

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    • Chat messages are tiny. You can easily put the encrypted signal into e.g. the residual portion (i.e. high entropy/looks like noise part) of lossless images/sound that you send unencrypted. "That was just a FLAC of me singing". Or innocuous cat pictures. Or whatever.