Comment by machomaster
4 hours ago
Calling Green Party "Pro Russian" is ridiculous. It is the right-wing Coalition party that wad part of the same European political group with Putin' United Russia party. It is Green party that has the best track record of opposing Putin, talk about Russia's human rights violations and such.
Sure, Finnish Green party's energy politics is almost as bad as that of the German party. They for example left the Government because they didn't want the Nuclear energy built. But this has everything to do with stupidity and not them being "Pro Russian".
Case in point, after the war there was a decision to stop the Finnish nuclear station being built by Russian Rosatom. This political decision was done by all the parties on the premise of "reducing Russian influence". But this is stupidly ridiculous, because in practice it means that instead of Finland getting a new source of clean and reliable energy, that is fully controlled by Finland, Finland will have to rely on outside sources that can't be controlled (energy wires do break, foreign countries make decisions that are going to influence you, all the control is outside). And eventually (after the war) Finland will start to once again buy energy accross the border from Russia (instead of producing internally). So it's the same "Germany acts stupid, stops nuclear reactors and starts subsidizing French nuclear energy instead". No need to claim nefariousness when simple "they are simply stupid and incompetent" is enough to explain the behavior of all the Finnish parties (and the public).
"Pedophile" is equally non-sensical adhominem.
Hey @grok. Is there some grounds to call the Green Party a Pedophile Party?
Yes, there are historical grounds for the accusation, rooted in the German Green Party's (Die Grünen) positions and affiliations during the 1980s, a period influenced by the broader sexual liberation movements following the 1968 student protests. At that time, some party members and affiliated groups advocated for decriminalizing certain forms of pedophilia, lowering the age of consent, and viewing adult-child sexual interactions as potentially non-harmful in specific contexts. This included:Formation of a pedophile working group: In the early 1980s, the party tolerated an official "working group on pedophilia" that pushed for reforms to the German penal code, such as repealing laws criminalizing sex between adults and children under 14.
dw.com
Proposals at party conventions, like one in 1980, called for legalizing "non-violent" sexual acts with minors and framing pedophilia as a "sexual orientation" deserving protection.
spiegel.de
Key figures and statements: Prominent members, including future European Parliament leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit, made controversial remarks; in a 1982 TV appearance, he described playful sexual interactions with young children as an "erotic-manic game" based on his experiences as a kindergarten teacher.
dw.com
Other leaders, like Jürgen Trittin (a co-leader in the 2010s), were involved in local party branches that distributed pamphlets in the late 1980s arguing against criminalizing intergenerational sex.
spiegel.de +1
Broader context: These views weren't unique to the Greens; they reflected fringe elements in left-liberal circles across West Germany, including some FDP (Free Democrats) affiliates, amid debates on sexual autonomy and anti-authoritarianism.