Comment by emmp
2 months ago
No interest in this exactly, but I am interested in the idea that third parties are now targeting the Framework form factor explicitly to sell upgrades/replacements outside of the Framework marketplace.
2 months ago
No interest in this exactly, but I am interested in the idea that third parties are now targeting the Framework form factor explicitly to sell upgrades/replacements outside of the Framework marketplace.
Yeah, there’s a lot of critiques of the product/packaging/etc, but this feels like huge validation of the Framework model - this is an unrelated 3rd party looking to get a chip in consumer hands who decided to use the FW chassis. That’s Exactly what we all were hoping for when Framework first launched.
Yeah this is what annoyed me about Pine64's Pinebook Pro 2 plans... No upgrade kits, they wanted to completely change the form factor!
The chassis of my PBP is great (brittle plastic notwithstanding)! That's the last thing I want to replace in the device.
More ewaste. I have first one, chasis/screen good, hardware shit, software unsupported. Abandoned by everybody. Collecting dust.
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Its about time, I hope System76 comes up with their own version of the Framework laptop, because I would love to buy a laptop where I can swap out all internals, motherboard etc. but I really also want to work with System76 because I love what they are doing with POP_OS! (though I prefer arch these days, I can still use their Desktop environment etc) and love that they make Linux hardware specifically.
We have needed a "Jeep of Laptops" for a while, maybe someone needs to spec out a fully open source design that any manufacturer can target.
> We have needed a "Jeep of Laptops" for a while, maybe someone needs to spec out a fully open source design that any manufacturer can target.
I'm not sure if this counts in your book, but releasing all this stuff is closer than anyone else is to that dream.
> https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Laptop-16
You can always just throw money at them for Pop!_OS[1] (which is what I did when I bought my Framework 13 and installed Pop on it).
1: https://system76.com/donate/
> We have needed a "Jeep of Laptops" for a while, maybe someone needs to spec out a fully open source design that any manufacturer can target.
That is the MNT Reform.
Honestly a Framework+System76 merger would make a lot of sense. System76 cares about the software but uses whitelabeled hardware. Framework has done excellent hardware engineering but doesn't care much about the software.
I don't know that it's fair to say Framework don't care much about the software. Their oldest devices are still getting firmware updates. At any rate, Pop!_OS runs very well on Framework Laptops (though I use Arch + Hyprland, w/ Windows on their storage expansion card).
That's a bit of a hot take considering all the donations they've been making to OSS projects. Sure, maybe they're not making Yet Another Distro but they're donating to and upstreamimg patches to things that everyone (including PopOS) uses.
To me, that's far from not caring about the software. Especially when you compare to other vendors like Pine.
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There’s also this RISC V thing, I ordered one in July and got mine in November.
I could transplant the desktop model I got into my original framework, but I haven’t attempted it.
https://store.deepcomputing.io/products/dc-roma-ai-pc-risc-v...
That's really cool. What's it like to use in terms of performance and software compatibility?
it has a few issues, I think jeffgeerling sums it up fairly well.
https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/82
"Like the Pi 4, I think this system is the first RISC-V desktop environment that isn't painful to use, just inconvenient. Actions still have delays, but the delays are more reasonable, and don't make me constantly question if the computer's frozen."
also some really odd choices by Eswin for the eic7702x, which is essentially 2 p550 chips glued together.
Apple: "We can't make great products if we don't completely control everything"
Framework: "Let us show you how it is done!"
Looking at the comparison btw M class machines and the Minisforum MS-R1 that is the same chip, I'm not sure Apple is being proved wrong here.
How is CIX CP8180 the same chip as any of the Apple M chips?.
Also, a very different approach to GPU.
Apples integration of products leaves framework in the first
That is interesting.
I wish someone made a keyboard that doesn’t suck, ideally split as well.
https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-...
Very cool!
Although to be pedantic, that's not an "ortholinear" keyboard (as in a square grid) rather a keyboard with column stagger (which you should use).
I wonder if you could make it for a FW13 too? I know QMK doesn't work for 13.
Edit: I see now that it uses a separate microcontroller, so yes if you could make it fit then it should work.
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Yes, something like that. Ideally for a reasonably sized 13-14” laptop.
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Similar to a sibling comment, and perhaps not really applicable (since this isn't a company making something people can buy...), but the MNT Reform is amenable to fitting a custom/ergonomic keyboard also (I hadn't seen the Framework in the sibling comment, it looks very cool!).
I don't know how to link to it directly, but midway down this article there's a picture and some more links of an MNT Reform (apparently completely home-built) with a very cool, "thumb-centric", column staggered ergo keyboard:
https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-07-01-july-update.htm...
(search for "More great mods from the community..." heading if interested)
I would very much like to have a keyboard like either of those on my laptop. The stares you'd get when in public!!
Just made a top-level comment about the same thing.
A big part of the core functionality of a laptop, as opposed to a PC, is is that of a typewriter:
* Notes in class
* Minutes in a meeting
* Entries in a journal or travelogue
* Writing the next great novel
etc.
Why have manufacturers simply taken that away from us, in favor of a terrible excuse with ridiculous tactile feedback?
I actually like short travel very light linear switches, mechanical or not.
I don’t like row stagger and non-split keyboards, for ergonomic reasons. That’s definitely a niche preference, but if anyone would cater to it you’d expect it to be Framework or similar.
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UHK ultimate hacker keyboard
I already have a Corne and a Glove80. I'd like something built into a laptop as well.
Exactly. This is exactly we get in return for compromising on quality and price with framework. Other tech is cheaper because of planned obsolescence or lock in. Im glad to pay more money to have this freedom
My first thought was, "How many units could they possibly expect to sell given this target?"
FTA: “the company has introduced a mainboard that can be installe in the Framework Laptop 13 or in a mini PC case“
⇒ their market likely isn’t enormous, but it is larger than that of Framework Laptop owners.
Sounds like the board also somehow works inside a mini-itx chassis or something?
Given it's a Framework 13 mainboard, you can probably put it in any Framework 13-compatible enclosure:
https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://frame.work/products/framework-laptop-13-mainboard-ho... https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Laptop-13
etc., lots of designs available.
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It's not standard mini-itx. Since the physical form factors for their laptop boards are published publicly and are somewhat stable, are "desktop" cases for them.