Mr. dang, is there some other secret guidelines, stealth censorship, or are only certain languages allowed to be discussed? Post that are submitted are shadow banned or hidden for unknown reasons? Please explain.
You're probably more likely to get a response by emailing the mods directly rather than commenting on a completely unrelated thread.
That being said, one reason a domain gets banned is when they are spam or consistently a source of off-topic or low-quality articles" [0]. Given the string of [flagged] posts from that domain and the bit of the guidelines that say that original sources are preferred, I wouldn't be too surprised if that particular domain was determined to be ban-worthy, whether manually or automatically.
Of course, I'm a nobody with no special insight into how HN works, so take the above with an appropriately sized grain of salt.
It's not just the domain, because a submission to youtube[1] was shadow banned or censored as well. This looks like undisclosed censorship against a particular language, which is why the question was asked. However, thanks for the response, because concerns over censorship and bans on hacker news should be out in the open.
There are no restrictions against any programming languages. There are restrictions against accounts using HN primarily for promotion. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Mr. dang, that does not appear to be true (about restrictions), based on facts and reviewing profiles: 1) Hacker News gives the impression of specifically having restrictions against certain languages, that looks to result in bans, shadow bans, and censorship. 2) You have obvious accounts that have been strongly promoting their languages on Hacker News (with posts numbering into the thousands), for many years.
Examples of accounts using Hacker News for language and site promotion: 1) AndyKelley (Zig creator and profile promotes full throttle), 2) kristoff_it (profile clearly states he's the VP of Zig Software Foundation), 3) gingerBill (Odin creator), 4) lerno (C3 creator and numerous submissions), pcwalton (many comments about Dlang, however, submissions are very varied), etc...
Speaking of which, the number of Zig and Rust posts and submissions on Hacker News are insane (per search). Absolutely insane! Rust is not even in the top 10 of programming languages, and Zig is the lower part of the top 50 languages. It's to the extent we are left to wonder if Hacker News is financially linked to them or perhaps submissions about languages other than Zig or Rust can be quietly ghosted or treated like a bannable offense. If we submit something other than about Zig or Rust, it should not be interpreted as excessively promoting that language.
I just study about many languages (emphasis on many) and gave some opinions. Have no allegiance to any language organization. Unlike the accounts previously mentioned, who may even advertise their affiliations on their Hacker News profiles. Links I have submitted (which are few), were for and about many different languages, not just only one. Stealth censorship is something dastardly and gives the impression of a hidden approval list, and those languages not on it (and any supporters or submissions) are subject to being censored.
It's not cynical, and even if it doesn't apply here, the truth is it's frequently the case. I agree it's wrong to generalize and to oversimplify but it's also wrong to ignore the role that wealth and proximity to information play in a person's life. (Again, not saying that's the case here. The title is asking for this discussion. And frankly why can't people express this view?)
I would say that title was obviously not "asking for this".
Comments that try to cast shade on someone else's work or achievements are not good for HN to begin with, and when they're being used to cut down a kid, that's seriously bad.
Mr. dang, is there some other secret guidelines, stealth censorship, or are only certain languages allowed to be discussed? Post that are submitted are shadow banned or hidden for unknown reasons? Please explain.
Examples:
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46177449
You're probably more likely to get a response by emailing the mods directly rather than commenting on a completely unrelated thread.
That being said, one reason a domain gets banned is when they are spam or consistently a source of off-topic or low-quality articles" [0]. Given the string of [flagged] posts from that domain and the bit of the guidelines that say that original sources are preferred, I wouldn't be too surprised if that particular domain was determined to be ban-worthy, whether manually or automatically.
Of course, I'm a nobody with no special insight into how HN works, so take the above with an appropriately sized grain of salt.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23772723
It's not just the domain, because a submission to youtube[1] was shadow banned or censored as well. This looks like undisclosed censorship against a particular language, which is why the question was asked. However, thanks for the response, because concerns over censorship and bans on hacker news should be out in the open.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46141171
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There are no restrictions against any programming languages. There are restrictions against accounts using HN primarily for promotion. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Mr. dang, that does not appear to be true (about restrictions), based on facts and reviewing profiles: 1) Hacker News gives the impression of specifically having restrictions against certain languages, that looks to result in bans, shadow bans, and censorship. 2) You have obvious accounts that have been strongly promoting their languages on Hacker News (with posts numbering into the thousands), for many years.
Examples of accounts using Hacker News for language and site promotion: 1) AndyKelley (Zig creator and profile promotes full throttle), 2) kristoff_it (profile clearly states he's the VP of Zig Software Foundation), 3) gingerBill (Odin creator), 4) lerno (C3 creator and numerous submissions), pcwalton (many comments about Dlang, however, submissions are very varied), etc...
Speaking of which, the number of Zig and Rust posts and submissions on Hacker News are insane (per search). Absolutely insane! Rust is not even in the top 10 of programming languages, and Zig is the lower part of the top 50 languages. It's to the extent we are left to wonder if Hacker News is financially linked to them or perhaps submissions about languages other than Zig or Rust can be quietly ghosted or treated like a bannable offense. If we submit something other than about Zig or Rust, it should not be interpreted as excessively promoting that language.
I just study about many languages (emphasis on many) and gave some opinions. Have no allegiance to any language organization. Unlike the accounts previously mentioned, who may even advertise their affiliations on their Hacker News profiles. Links I have submitted (which are few), were for and about many different languages, not just only one. Stealth censorship is something dastardly and gives the impression of a hidden approval list, and those languages not on it (and any supporters or submissions) are subject to being censored.
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It's not cynical, and even if it doesn't apply here, the truth is it's frequently the case. I agree it's wrong to generalize and to oversimplify but it's also wrong to ignore the role that wealth and proximity to information play in a person's life. (Again, not saying that's the case here. The title is asking for this discussion. And frankly why can't people express this view?)
I would say that title was obviously not "asking for this".
Comments that try to cast shade on someone else's work or achievements are not good for HN to begin with, and when they're being used to cut down a kid, that's seriously bad.