Comment by panarky
2 months ago
When someone says "AIs aren't really thinking" because AIs don't think like people do, what I hear is "Airplanes aren't really flying" because airplanes don't fly like birds do.
2 months ago
When someone says "AIs aren't really thinking" because AIs don't think like people do, what I hear is "Airplanes aren't really flying" because airplanes don't fly like birds do.
This really shows how imprecise a term 'thinking' is here. In this sense any predictive probabilistic blackbox model could be termed 'thinking'. Particularly when juxtaposed against something as concrete as flight that we have modelled extremely accurately.
Yes, to a degree. A very low degree at that.
AIs think like a rock flies.
If I shake some dice in a cup are they thinking about what number they’ll reveal when I throw them?
If I take a plane apart and throw all the parts off a cliff, will they achieve sustained flight?
If I throw some braincells into a cup alongside the dice, will they think about the outcome anymore than the dice alone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
that depends, if you explain the rules of the game you're playing and give the dice a goal to win the game, do they adjust the numbers they reveal according to the rules of the game?
If so, yes, they're thinking
As someone who plays a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, it sure feels like the dice are thinking sometimes.
The rules of the game are to reveal two independent numbers in the range [1,6].
That's a fallacy of denial of the antecedent. You are inferring from the fact that airplanes really fly that AIs really think, but it's not a logically valid inference.
"Observing a common (potential) failure mode"
That's not what we have here.
"It is only a fallacy if you "P, therefore C" which GP is not (at least to my eye) doing."
Some people are willfully blind.
Observing a common (potential) failure mode is not equivalent to asserting a logical inference. It is only a fallacy if you "P, therefore C" which GP is not (at least to my eye) doing.
Yeah at that point, just arguing semantics
Whenever someone paraphrases a folksy aphorism about airplanes and birds or fish and submarines I suppose I'm meant to rebut with folksy aphorisms like:
"A.I. and humans are as different as chalk and cheese."
As aphorisms are a good way to think about this topic?