{"id":46221843,"user":"ok_dad","time":1765392825,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

> letting someone else handle their pager

I guess you've never given your phone to your toddler for 2 minutes to watch a video while you pooped in a public bathroom, huh?","comments":[{"id":46221891,"user":"dralley","time":1765393009,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

A pager is not a phone. Pagers and portable radios are not multi-purpose devices. You can't watch Frozen on a pager.","comments":[{"id":46222396,"user":"ok_dad","time":1765394955,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Kids love to grab anything that is interesting to them.","comments":[{"id":46222801,"user":"breppp","time":1765396484,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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Well, I guess we disagree on this, but I think it's a shit move to blow up a bunch of any object that is normally benign and which could logically be sitting next to or in the hands of an innocent. I'll die on that hill. I know it goes against most people's opinions on HN but I don't mind that. As you can see, I have some points to spare so feel free to downvote me to oblivion, even though that downvote button is meant for people who go against the rules; I don't believe I have in any of my posts in this thread, but I am willing to apologize if so.

Also, I have a thought for you: what would you call it if a foreign nation which your country had poor relations with, possibly open hostility, had blown up the work laptops (which they might take home) of a bunch of high ranking military members in your country? Would that be terrorism or a legal attack to you? What would you think of the innocent lives lost to such an attack?","comments":[{"id":46224062,"user":"apical_dendrite","time":1765401815,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

This incident did not occur in a vacuum. If this had been a surprise attack during peacetime, the calculus would be different, but it wasn't.

Hezbollah began firing rockets at Israeli civilian populations more or less indiscriminately very soon after the October 7th terrorist attack. Just a few months before the pager incident, a Hezbollah rocket killed 12 children in a Druze town in the Golan Heights.

Israel was justified in defending itself against an aggressor. Not to do so would mean continuing to let their civilians be killed. Once you start from that premise, then blowing up pagers that only belong to Hezbollah members is a much better option than any alternative.

The standard can't just be "you aren't allowed to take any action that could kill innocent people". To have that as the standard is the same as to have no standard at all, because it's so unrealistic that nobody would follow it. The standard has to take into account whether the action is offensive or defensive, what the relative risk of killing innocent people is, and what the alternatives are.

That's why I talked about the allied bombings during WWII, which killed enormous numbers of German and Japanese civilians. To suggest that the allies should not have used bombers in, say, 1941 because they would inevitably kill many civilians is unreasonable. But you can distinguish between, say, the RAFs nighttime bombing campaigns, which were intended to strike civilian targets for the purposes of demoralizing and starving the population, and the USAAFs daytime bombing campaigns, which were intended to destroy factories. Both killed many, many innocent people, but there are clear moral differences.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":4,"url":"item?id=46224062"}],"comments_count":1,"level":3,"url":"item?id=46223125"},{"id":46223228,"user":"cholantesh","time":1765398217,"time_ago":"5 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I too, wouldn't join the IDF.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":3,"url":"item?id=46223228"}],"comments_count":3,"level":2,"url":"item?id=46222801"}],"comments_count":4,"level":1,"url":"item?id=46222396"}],"comments_count":5,"level":0,"url":"item?id=46221891"}],"comments_count":6,"url":"item?id=46221843"}

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