Comment by scuff3d

1 month ago

Gleam is a great language. It didn't click for me when I was trying it out, but I'm glad to see more people enjoying it.

And I wonder if Gleam + Lustre could become the new Elm.

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tempest_  1 month ago

As a mostly back end dev Elm looked really nice but all the conflict with the creator and then the lack of compiler releases made me shy away a bit.

I have bumped into "the Elm architecture" in other projects though and it was nice.

  • aryonoco  1 month ago

    Not many people use elm directly but it has influenced the design of so many frameworks and libraries.

    Right now I’m toying with the idea of building a GNOME application in rust, and the framework I’m using is relm4 which provides elm like abstractions over gtk-rs.

    Previously I’ve built web applications with F# and elmish, which again provides elm like abstractions for building F# applications.

    • scuff3d  1 month ago

      The Roc programing language is being developed because Richard Feldman wanted an Elm like experience in more places then just the front end.

  • rapind  1 month ago

    > all the conflict with the creator

    Just so no one misunderstands this. The creator (Evan) didn't get into, or start, any drama himself that I ever noticed. I'd argue he's a very chill and nice dude.

    I've been on the edges of the community for probably a decade now (lurker), and all of the drama came from other people who simply didn't like the BDFL and slow releases strategy.

  • scuff3d  1 month ago

    Yeah I'm not a front end dev but I do kind of keep track of what's going on in that space. From what I saw it seemed Elm was all but dead. Maybe that's not true, but that was the impression from the outside looking in.

  • tasuki  1 month ago

    > the lack of compiler releases

    I'm a backend dev mostly and use Elm for all my frontend needs. Yes there are some things compiler-side that could be improved, but basically it's fine.

    I appreciate not having to keep up with new releases!

rapind  1 month ago

I recently used Gleam + Lustre for a small app that I normally would have built with Elm + PostgREST. It went very well, and I'm now planning to use it for a larger rewrite (of a rails app).

  • epolanski  1 month ago

    Anecdotically I recently got into Ruby, via Sinatra, and enjoy the experience.

    What are you lacking in ruby and rails, besides the types?

    • rapind  1 month ago

      Ruby is lovely. I just prefer static (inferred) types, functional, compiled, and performant languages with managed side effects these days. Bit more upfront effort, but saves a ton of time and stress in the long run.

  • scuff3d  1 month ago

    I've considered playing around with it. Every now and then I tell myself I'm gonna learn front end dev, but as soon as I start looking at it (FE in general not Lustre specifically) I get depressed and give up lol

    • rapind  1 month ago

      I far prefer it to javascript or typescript. I recommend using a coding agent to help you learn it (claude code, gemini cli, codex) if you're interested. Pick a smallish project, prompt your way through it, examining to structure and code as you go, asking the agent to explain anything you don't understand.

      Probably the most underrated aspect of this new AI age is having a tutor with encyclopedic knowledge available at all times.

      * To be clear, I'm not saying to "Vibe Code" it. Take the time to really understand the code, ask questions, and eventually suggest improvements.

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dminor  1 month ago

I looked at lustre for a recent project and it seems very nice. But the ecosystem is pretty small yet (I could find no examples of auth, for one), so I ended up going with liveview.

I'm hoping it succeeds and gets bigger because I really like its ergonomics.