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Comment by psunavy03

1 month ago

Armies of idiots hunt down em dashes because they're too stupid to understand the proper use of them.

They are probably like me: if punctuation isn't on my keyboard, I don't use it.

  • [AltGr][Shift][-]

    Without shift it's an en dash (–), with shift an em dash (—). Default X11 mapping for a German keyboard layout, zero config of mine.

  • >They are probably like me: if punctuation isn't on my keyboard, I don't use it.

    LPT: on Android, pressing and holding a punctuation key on the on-screen keyboard reveals additional variations of it — like the em-dash, for example.

    This is the №1 feature I expect everyone to know about (and explore!), but, alas, it doesn't appear to be the case even on Hackernews¹.

    On Windows, pressing Win+. pops up an on-screen character keyboard with all the symbols one may need (including math symbols and emojis).

    MacOS has a similar functionality IIRC.

    And let's not forget that software like MS Word automatically correct dashes to em-dashes when appropriate — and some people may simply prefer typing text in a word processor and copy-pasting from it.

    Anyway...

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    ¹ For example, holding "1" yields the superscript version, enabling one to format footnotes properly with less effort than using references in brackets², yet few people choose to do that.

    ² E.g. [2]

  • Yeah, this is what I don't understand, surely people aren't "using" em dashes deliberately. I assumed MS word was just inserting them automatically when the user used a minus symbol between two words. Kind of like angled quotes.

    • I've been using em dashes for much longer than transformers have existed. It's easily accessible on at least the Android and macOS keyboards.

    • I use them when they're easy to type. For me, that's on Android, macOS, and anywhere I've configured a compose key.

      Angled quotes I use only on systems on which I've configured a compose key, or Android when I'm typing Chinese.

      I don't like any kind of auto-replacement with physical keyboards, so I turn off "smart quotes" on macOS.

      Anyway I use characters like that all the time, but it's never auto-replace.

    • > surely people aren't "using" em dashes deliberately

      I am, it's on the default German X11 keyboard layout. Same for · × ÷ …

      And that's without going to the trusty compose key (Caps Lock for me)… wonders like ½ and H₂O await!

I'm used to simply using a single dash - and I am surprised that anyone who isn't an AI would feel strongly enough to insist upon the em dash character that they would use them deliberately. I will admit the use of a dash (really an em dash in disguise) in that previous sentence felt clunky, but I just felt I needed to illustrate. I mostly write text in text boxes where a dash or pair of dashes will not be converted to an em dash when appropriate, and I often have double dashes (--long-option-here) auto-converted to emdashes when it is inappropriate, so I really dislike the em dash and basically don't use it. Doesn't really seem to be a useful character in English.