Comment by ulfw
2 days ago
Oh yes as if the Great US of A didn't shoot down passenger jets
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/july-3/u-s-warsh...
2 days ago
Oh yes as if the Great US of A didn't shoot down passenger jets
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/july-3/u-s-warsh...
There's a marked difference between this and the Russian one: the Americans owned their mistake and paid reparations. The Russians denied and keep denying.
Mistakes aren't good, but pretending that you didn't make them adds insult to injury.
The current administration would _absolutely_ deny any such mistake.
As much as the current administration turns my stomach, previous ones are not absolved from weaseling their way out of catastrophic mistakes, either.
It's sort of funny that this thread turned into a USA vs Russia debate when they both play the same games. One of them is just slightly better at pretending like they're playing fair and friendly. My take-away from that is once an organized body, be it a country, corporation or religion, gets very large and holds a lot of power, they will inevitably start doing bad things.
"As part of the settlement, the US did not admit liability for the shootdown."
Doesn't sound to me like owning your mistake.
Isn't the famous quote:
'I'll never apologize for the United States of America, I don't care what the facts are'.
in the context of that after all?
Cermis cough cable car cough
Nah you don't understand. When Americans shoot down a plane, it's called "Liberation". You see, by doing so they liberate our souls from this fallen World, which is good!
The major difference being that the US crew got medals for 'meritorious service', including a Navy Commendation Medal and a Legion of Merit. Russia is not quite that ballsy over accidentally butchering civilians.
> Russia is not quite that ballsy over accidentally butchering civilians.
I don't know about accidental, but if anyone thinks Russia is not ballsy about butchering civilians, they need a refresher on Russia's wars during the last few decades. Last few years would be enough too. It's a principle of their military affairs.
Switch on the critical thinking part of your brain and go read about american war crimes, the reality is much dirtier than "we're Good and they're Evil". It's not a competition so I'm not going to start ranking armies but they all have their fair share of atrocities.
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I was specifically talking about accidental shootdowns of civilian airliners. Leave your politics out of this.
Unless you have tangible evidence that MH17 was deliberately downed. In which case I am sure people would just love to see that.