Comment by JumpCrisscross
2 days ago
> don't think co-op fisheries are the problem here
Co-op fisheries are owned by the co-op. They aren’t a problem and regulate access.
Common heritage fisheries are trawled unregulated because when everyone owns something, nobody owns it.
For the communist model to work, the state has to own everything. Which in practice means apparatchiks control everything.
> For the communist model to work, the state has to own everything.
At first I used co-op's because I just assumed you meant democratically controlled companies rather than "communism" and now I know you don't know what communism means.
"state has to own anything" is an extremely funny idea for a stateless society.
> "state has to own anything" is an extremely funny idea for a stateless society
Within a realistic geopolitical framework, it’s really not.
What Marx have you read? It's one thing to be ignorant. It's another to throw out quips like 'now I know you don't know what communism means' and then spout a faulty internet meme of an idea one is trying to relate to.
Engels is the one who wrote about it, not Marx, which you'd know if you knew what communism means. While Marx agreed with Engels words, he doesn't explicitly talk about it:
> State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The state is not "abolished". It dies out.
I suggest you give Anti-Dühring a read, it's not that dense and has some valuable insight into society even if you don't agree with Marxism or communism.
We could finally try finish the experiment Allende started before the CIA couped away a democratically elected president.
Do something like project Cybersyn [0], but give all decision making to a digital planning engine.
No humans, no apparatchiks.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn
That's so naive. Economic central planning is a fool's errand. Regardless of how good the computers are, it can never work because it's impossible to gather accurate demand data. Only free market economics can ever work at scale over the long term.
That is nothing but an ideological statement without any evidence, one that is being disproven as we speak.
Free market economics haven't worked out great for the vast majority of people.
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> Economic central planning is a fool's errand.
crazy, because the two biggest cases of economic central planning are the USSR which grew faster than any civilization ever (a literacy rate of 30% to 100% in 60 years) and China who is currently making the United States world power look like a toddler.
There's clearly something to central planning, it's still up in the air if you can totally plan an economy centrally. I tend to agree with Chibber.
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