Comment by blell
1 day ago
Why did you remove the quotes around the word "innocent" that implied sarcasm? You can't quote things and modify the contents.
1 day ago
Why did you remove the quotes around the word "innocent" that implied sarcasm? You can't quote things and modify the contents.
In our country, someone who hasn't been convicted or otherwise adjudicated of a crime is called innocent. There are thousands of innocent people being deported.
Perhaps these people committed crimes or administrative violations, perhaps not, but until they've been determined as such, they're correctly called innocent with no quotes.
GP is speaking specifically about that subset of people when they use the word innocent.
>In our country, someone who hasn't been convicted or otherwise adjudicated of a crime is called innocent.
Total nonsense. This only applies to the state. Individuals are totally free to believe that a person not convicted of a crime or even proclaimed innocent by the state, is in fact not innocent.
If your legalistic fiction of innocence was correct, then individuals would have to believe that the law is the infallible representation of morality, which is an abhorrent claim. What I meant by the quotes around innocent is that the state has not yet deemed them criminal, but I disagree with the state on that assessment.
You disagree in a “none of us are innocent” kind of way?
I struggle to see how you might know so much about these people - whose names we don’t even know - that you can have an opinion about their innocence.
No need to respond if you don’t think you need information to form an opinion. I will assume that.
Is deportation a state action or no?
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> There are thousands of innocent people being deported.
Right, the only crime they committed was entering and remaining in the country illegally. And now they’re facing deportation by this unjust administration.
Right leaning Cato Institute’s report states that many had entered legally and had no criminal records in US or in their home countries.
In fact, some were granted asylum.
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There are plenty of people the administration is trying to deport who neither entered nor remained in the country illegally.
For example, Rumeysa Ozturk who was arrested for engaging in 1st Amendment protected speech and put into deportation proceedings despite entering the country legally, staying in the country legally, and breaking none of our country's laws.
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