Comment by UncleMeat
1 day ago
Even the people who were convicted of crimes don't deserve this. There's this sick belief in parts of society that criminals (which becomes a permanent state of being) are valid targets for unlimited suffering.
People should not be sent to torture camps where they have no hope of every leaving for the rest of their lives for committing crimes.
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bringing down the murder rate doesn't excuse the torture of innocent people (or anyone for that matter)
I do not have any data about people being tortured.
Where are those reports? I am not in favor of torturing even those animals.
But they should repair the damage done working for the community, building houses for example, which is something I have witness it is done.
Sooooo... why are we sending people there?
Maybe someday you'll have a chance to torture me to death.
I understand your argument, but the problem with Bukele is that he is a bad human being, too. A gang leader with slightly less proclivity for torture and rape than the other gangs.
He knows that he has many innocent people locked up in those jails. He knows that his deal with Trump is immoral and unnecessary for the safety of El Salvador, but does it anyway. His social media savvy relishes in his authoritarianism, rather than explains it.
Unfortunately, the dire situation you describe is how Authoritarians gain power: desperate populations struggling for multiple years with widespread societal problems that government has seemed too inept or corrupt to fix. 1930s Germany, 2020s Trump, El Salvador.
I have Bukele for a responsible person, just hard like Lee Kuan Yew was.
But as far as my knowledge goes, he does not execute or kill, just enjailed the gangs.
I could be wrong but I do not have evidence of the opposite so far. Just rumors and things mostly from sources I do not trust. If there is evidence, they should release it.
They also released 8,000 people, they keep reviewing for mistakes.
About the exception state, this came out from an 80 people murder. To innocent people and as a revenge. I think it was justified in this case, sadly.
I do not mean bad conditions, they more than deserve that. I mean if there has been torturing or such things. I would be against that, 100%.
The situation of El Salvador was almost like a war in times of peace. They did not have many options.