Comment by willm
11 hours ago
Pretty sure you are a troll, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mr cranky pants.
Toad works the same way as a browser. Tab and shift+tab to move focus. Cursor keys move within the control. That's what is happening on the front page. If you don't like the keyboard control, you could always just use your mouse to click stuff.
The agent modal works in the same way. Tab to focus a control. The currently focused control is highlighted with a really obvious accent color. Seriously, this is how web pages work. Try it with this one.
Tiny modal? It had some padding around it, but there is plenty of space for the contents. 100x20 characters IIRC. Unless you have shrunk your terminal down to less than that.
The commands are provided by the creators of the agents. If they fail for any reason, there is probably some kind of error message you could use for tech support. You would get the same result running the command outside of Toad. But I don't think you were interested in fixing it, as you would have mentioned an error message.
> so the OBVIOUS ACTION of RUN THIS AGENT requires pressing tab, enter, down, down, down, enter, tab, enter.
Even more obvious would be to press space. Which is displayed prominently in the footer. How did you miss that? It even works from the front page. Highlight the agent, and press space. No need to open the agent modal.
> But it doesn't work for multi-word commands. And my trial with toad comes to an end.
It does work for multi-word commands. But if your command contains a space you will need to wrap it in quotes. This isn't a Toad thing, this is a CLI thing. I imagine you don't work in the terminal much?
> Pretty sure you are a troll < OK, I'll come clean: I knew what Textualize is before I even evaluated toad, and have never to date found a Textualize app that "sparked joy" as it were. But I figured I should try Toad anyways since A) I strongly resonate with the problem statement of Toad and B) surely the creator of the library would create a best-in-class implementation using that library. Also, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45912796
> If you don't like the keyboard control, you could always just use your mouse to click stuff. < You're reading me backwards. I like keyboard control, but feel like Textualize is a mouse-first UI library. Pressing arrow keys when launching Toad does nothing because I'm not in a "control". As a user, I am supposed to intuitively know that "Recommended" and "Coding agents" are "different controls" and so it should be obvious to me that the arrow keys would not navigate between them?
> 100x20 characters IIRC < You have 20 lines to work with and you decided to shove 4 of the 5 actions for the form into a modal control within the modal dialog. That's my point.
> Which is displayed prominently in the footer. < That's rich. You dedicate 3 lines to the "show in launcher" button and a "Go" button and say the one line at the bottom of the screen is "prominently". Also, that message isn't even on the opening screen of the app, presumably because I have a flawed understanding of what a "control" is.
> I don't think you were interested in fixing it, as you would have mentioned an error message.
No, the error message was perfectly clear! That's how I knew the solution. "Agent returned a failure code: 127 - /bin/sh: claude-code-acp: command not found" The solution is to run via npx.
> It does work for multi-word commands. But if your command contains a space you will need to wrap it in quotes. < You are wrong.
> I imagine you don't work in the terminal much? < Please don't blame your users for uncovering bugs that your coding agent put in that you didn't catch in review.
Anyways, go take your sabbatical, relax, you need it. I do genuinely want a better CLI interface for my coding agents and what you said elsewhere that the landscape is "like building a browser for a single website" is very true. Hopefully you come back with fresh eyes and can make a compelling offering in this space.
Not saying there isn't room for improvement. This is the first release, and work is ongoing. But I can't predict everyone's assumptions. Everyone brings their own experiences to the table, and in 6 months of testing nobody has made assumptions you just did.
For instance, "toad run" takes a path to a directory and not a command (check the usage). You've made an incorrect assumption about how that works, based on previous assumptions on how the UI works.
I would be like to understand why you made the assumptions you did, and make changes based on your feedback. But you've chosen to be combative, for reasons known only to yourself.
For the record, I apologize for the "Mr cranky pants" quip. If you do want to improve this software, join the Discord. Let's keep it civil. Merry Xmas.
> Everyone brings their own experiences to the table, and in 6 months of testing nobody has made assumptions you just did. < As an experiment, try disabling the app's mouse support and testing it.
> For instance, "toad run" takes a path to a directory and not a command (check the usage). < I stand corrected. I think I was confused because I read this comment <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46370722> ("toad acp COMMAND") and substituted "toad run COMMAND". I saw in the usage that it mentions "PATH" without specifying what it is the path to, and does include a "--agent" flag but with no explanation about what it does. This level of documentation is far from what I would call good, but I'll give it to you that I could have figured that one out. ([append] `toad run` isn't even the right command and as near as I can tell --agent does nothing. But `toad acp` is what I actually wanted and finally I can actually test the app)
> But you've chosen to be combative < My post was snarky but my experience was honest. I don't think I'm being combative. I certainly don't intend to offend you as the creator of the tool, regardless of whether or not I think the tool is high-quality in its current state.
Merry Christmas, I will continue to watch this project. Maybe I will open a discussion in the Github if I end up successfully able to use it with my newfound understanding of the "acp" subcommand.