this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun.
I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at least accept certain positions even if it's not your position because otherwise you are silly or something else.
IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025.
Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looking for, great, I'm not judging, it just doesn't click with me. I used to visit hackerpaces during my travels but regardless of how open and kind I approach a new place, once they ask me to mask up or inquire for my pronouns things just don't end well, even if I'm really polite in explaining my position. That's not the tolerance and open mindedness I encountered around 2009 during my first C3.
Still, I wish everyone attending the best of times. There's so many people there that I imagine you'll be able to find the right folks if you're there and look around.
Not looking for a debate or inciting hate towards anyone here.
But yeah to me it seems these "antifaschistisch orgs" acting like thugs and then thinking they're immune to prosecution because they're antifaschistisch (according to themselves) of course
Okay, that's it. i think i will do some data analysis and do a talk at some place next year about the outcome of the analysis which talks are there and if there's really a trend. :D
Personally, I’m very much looking forward to the many talks from the „politics“ category. You have the wrong mindset.
Originally, I wanted to enjoy the cringe fest of privacy related grandstanding while the „community“ was absolutely silent during the dystopian Covid overreach.
But then I spotted, between the many „Nazis everywhere“ vibed talks, one spectacular Antifa affiliated talk about the „Budapest-Complex“.
> Der Vorwurf der … steht in keinem Verhältnis zu den verhandelten Vorkommnissen
Roughly translated: The claim of … is completely disproportionate relative to the discussed events.
„Discussed events“ as in? That some random pedestrian almost got killed because someone decided he‘s a neonazi? Hammers are nowhere to be mentioned. I mean, my knowledge of this is a little bit rusty, but somehow I get the feeling it’s going to be an inspiring leadership class in bending the meanings of words.
By the way, the Antifa-Ost which this talks seem to be concerned with is afaik exactly one of those groups mentioned in the recent US admin‘s update to the list of terrorist groups.
I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time.
There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.
this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at least accept certain positions even if it's not your position because otherwise you are silly or something else.
IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025.
Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looking for, great, I'm not judging, it just doesn't click with me. I used to visit hackerpaces during my travels but regardless of how open and kind I approach a new place, once they ask me to mask up or inquire for my pronouns things just don't end well, even if I'm really polite in explaining my position. That's not the tolerance and open mindedness I encountered around 2009 during my first C3.
Still, I wish everyone attending the best of times. There's so many people there that I imagine you'll be able to find the right folks if you're there and look around.
Not looking for a debate or inciting hate towards anyone here.
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You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.
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I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event.
There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.
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Or perhaps you changed over the years?
The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...
Every year the needle gets moved more
Such talks have been part of ccc for decades?
I am getting more and more confused
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I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.
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That example is a really good one I also stumbled upon. Feels like a Indymedia meeting.
I was trying to understand what this is about, and this seems to have more context https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-th...
But yeah to me it seems these "antifaschistisch orgs" acting like thugs and then thinking they're immune to prosecution because they're antifaschistisch (according to themselves) of course
Okay, that's it. i think i will do some data analysis and do a talk at some place next year about the outcome of the analysis which talks are there and if there's really a trend. :D
Do it. I'm really interested.
Everything is political, always has been.
The "apolitical" is just an implicit endorsement of the status quo.
Personally, I’m very much looking forward to the many talks from the „politics“ category. You have the wrong mindset.
Originally, I wanted to enjoy the cringe fest of privacy related grandstanding while the „community“ was absolutely silent during the dystopian Covid overreach.
But then I spotted, between the many „Nazis everywhere“ vibed talks, one spectacular Antifa affiliated talk about the „Budapest-Complex“.
> Der Vorwurf der … steht in keinem Verhältnis zu den verhandelten Vorkommnissen
Roughly translated: The claim of … is completely disproportionate relative to the discussed events.
„Discussed events“ as in? That some random pedestrian almost got killed because someone decided he‘s a neonazi? Hammers are nowhere to be mentioned. I mean, my knowledge of this is a little bit rusty, but somehow I get the feeling it’s going to be an inspiring leadership class in bending the meanings of words.
By the way, the Antifa-Ost which this talks seem to be concerned with is afaik exactly one of those groups mentioned in the recent US admin‘s update to the list of terrorist groups.
Highly recommend this talk!
you mean too much politics you disagree with
also everything is political, whether you like it or not
no, too many politics that have nothing to do with computers
computers are political
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True