Comment by hvb2

1 day ago

Just stating that he does seem to inspire and build teams/orgs that do great things.

Both SpaceX and Tesla are accomplishments if you consider where their competitors are.

> Both SpaceX and Tesla are accomplishments if you consider where their competitors are.

CATL, BYD, and other Chinese manufacturers are absolutely killing it at Tesla's expense, Because their markets have actual, sharp-elbowed competition requiring actual innovation.

  • It takes a lot more effort to be first. When they were making the roadster, who else was interesting in BEV?

    For SpaceX, who is landing rockets for reuse?

    With all due respect, China at this point does seem to only get in when the early adoption is done. Then they just throw state money at the problem to catch up. They might be innovating now but they left the hard work to someone else

    • > China at this point does seem to only get in when the early adoption is done.

      China started strategic planning on renewable energy in 1992. You're sorely mistaken if you think China intends to merely "catch up" - they are gunning to be the leader, and have the fundamental research to back the aspirations.

      > For SpaceX, who is landing rockets for reuse?

      Just Blue Origin. Commercial space is new and inherently has little competition; SpaceX is rightfully a pioneer. Traditional government space programs in Europe, the US, Russia or China were never cost sensitive on national security payloads, or prestige manned missions - maybe a bit on the science missions. China - like the US and few other countries with the research, industrial and GDP foundations - can go from zero to one in any field it chooses to prioritize[1], and has done so on a manned space station - which may be the only one in orbit come 2030.

      1. Underestimating an adversary is one way to get nasty surprises. The US is currently playing catch-up on hypersonic glide weaponry.

  • The Chinese cars makers are heavily government funded, with the goal of flooding markets.

    It’s not hard to sell EVs when you’re losing money on each one.

    • Can you provide links showing how much any of the companies is getting from the government?

  • For Tesla maybe (if you ignore self driving as useless), but that doesn’t apply to spacex.

How many massive, bloated rockets that nobody really needs have the competitors been blowing up time after time after time?

  • When they do this on their own dime and get results years ahead of competitors, is that a bad thing?

    If not for crew dragon, the US would be begging Russia for seats to the ISS still. Is that your preferred outcome?

    • I wasn't talking about "dragon", I was talking about "starship". So far they have all exploded with little to show for it.

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